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i am trying to find out about two deaths in my family tree but no luck so far online if anyone can suggest as im not sure where to look now first death is for mr ? treacy/tracey married my great gran catherine quinn im guessing from yr 1898/89 as she was born 1881 and she remarries in 1902 with widow on marriage cert so trying to see what happened first husband and cant find there marriage so no first name also catherine mcclean maiden name connor married joseph mcclean 1895 and on census 1901 hes a widow.if anyone can help me locate info id really appreciate it thanks.
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Where?????????????? what census ???????????? ;)
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And also....
Any children of the TREACY/TRACEY marriage?
Where is Catherine nee QUINN (new SURNAME?) in 1901 and 1911?
Cheers :)
AMBLY
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Poster has put more details on other posts. Here's one-
thanks guys im going to go into gro and try get copy of that record prueM found from the cert i have it looks like fifty for both there ages but on 1911 census says catherine was 30 and william 45 and basically i just wanted to find who she was married to before william as cert says she was a widow and obviosly first huband was tracey and want to know what happened to him and hopefully get a better picture.. :D sorry for bombarding yiz but im puzzled ???
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Hi there was no children with tracey marriage and her new surname was otoole from 1902 marriage so cant find martiage for quinn/tracey or treacy and would like to find mr treacy death if anyone has any suggestions.thank you.
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Hi there was no children with tracey marriage and her new surname was otoole from 1902 marriage so cant find martiage for quinn/tracey or treacy and would like to find mr treacy death if anyone has any suggestions.thank you.
Where have you looked for a marriage? just England? with those names Ireland or Scotland might be possibilities. If you'd like help with this you need to tell us exactly what you already know or have tried.
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The query may be centred (at least in part) in Ireland, where a Catherine Tracey and a William O'Toole appear on the same page of marriages in Dublin South, Jun qtr 1902.
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I believe marriage to be in dublin between catherine quinn,and ? Treacy between 1898_1900 as i have found catherines second marriage in 1902 where she is widow and looking at 1911 census her age is 35 so she was born 1880/1881 if this is correct and her second husband is 45.ive checked lds for first marriage and looked up treacy deaths but its hard when dont no first name im wondering if he died at war and maybe not buried in ireland as went through deaths in old irish papers looking for tracey death with widow catherine also checked 1901 dublin census for catherine tracey/treacy but age doesnt match and not a widow ive looked through church records of ireland using catherines father john quinn (labourer)as additional search as found this on second marriage but nothing so far
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So it's Ireland we're looking at, is it, for all these events? Is that where Catherine and William were in 1911? Where was Catherine born?
We are all keen to help but we do need a clear starting point in terms of which country your people were in, on the basis of the facts you already know.
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Yes sorry its ireland catherine was born 1880/1881 father john quinn then marries ? Treacy i presume in ireland then catherine marries william o toole in 1902 in dublin ireland and can see them on 1911 census so just missin info regarding her marriage to treacy and when/how he died thanks everyone who tryin to help i really appreciate it
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Are you able to give us a link to the Irish 1911 online census for the O' Toole couple so that we can see all the details? I am struggling to find them.
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Is this Catherine & second husband in 1911 census? (you said "looking at 1911 census her age is 35 so she was born 1880/1881 if this is correct" but 35 years before 1911 is c1876 NOT c1880)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mansion_House/Vance_s_Buildings/75091/
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Looks promising.
So if that's her she was born in County Dublin but not the City of Dublin (which was the birthplace of everyone else in the family)
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Possibility?
Catherine Treacy age 21 with husband Andrew and son John (age 2)-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Ushers_Quay/Thomas_Court/1303215
Added- bride probably a Catherine Kane who married 1898
Same family in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Merchant_s_Quay/Francis_St__/70728
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Nikita- what's Catherine's address on marriage certificate?
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Yes just copped dates now so im she was born in 1876 not 1880? On second marriage her address is 3 vances buildings ive no idea where she was born now as i had a kate quinn cert from portobello dublin which i thought was her but if yrs wrong i may look again and il check county dub thanks for pointing this out also the treacy marriage il check as maybe she had son but he died wit first husb? Its great to get fresh help as i was going round in circles with this so thank you il look up later as on my phone internet in wrk so its taking time to go through so can see better on computer later thank you
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Yes just copped dates now so im she was born in 1876 not 1880?
This is confusing.
In your post on a previous thread reproduced at reply #3 on this thread, you said that Catherine was 30 in 1911. You later said (reply #7 on this thread) that she was 35 in 1911.
Is this the 1911 census you're referring to (found by aghadowey)?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mansion_House/Vance_s_Buildings/75091/
If so she is 30 rather than 35 in spring 1911, so born 1880-1881. It looks likely to be the right census as it matches the address you've given from the 2nd marriage record. If it is right it gives Catherine's birthplace as County Dublin.
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I think you need to sit down and look at all the information and check the dates to get the facts straight.
The 1902 marriage to William O'Toole gives Catherine Quinn's address as 3 Vances Buidlings Dublin and we've found William O'Toole and wife Catherine married 9 years at the same address.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000193699/
Therefore, it seems pretty clear that this is the right Catherine and her details show her as age 30 NOT 35 and born Co, Dublin NOT Dublin City. This is not to say those details are correct but they are what is on the census form.
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Yes i see what you mean i got mixed up sorry so later i will look for cat quinn birth co dub and in relation to her first marriage can anyone tell me what was legal age to marry 16,17, or 18? So i can narrow it down.on her second marriage under age it says full. Il keep at it and il post what i dont understand.thanks so much guys.
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"Full age" is 21 years but marriages could take place younger.
FamilySearch has some, not all, extracted Irish births 1864-c1881 which probably covers the period of her birth- what's her father's name (and occupation) from 1902 marriage?
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fathers name is john quinn and occupation is labourer.
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Think this is the one you found earlier?
Birth: Catherine Bridget Quinn born 25 Mar.1880 Portobella Place Dublin, parents- John Quinn & Kate Quinn Behan
All extracted births for 'Catherine Quinn' with father 'John Quinn' in County Dublin for 1870-1879 seem to also be in Dublin City but database is not complete .
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yes thats the one i have i think il try looking for her death and see if i can find her age and see if it matches census then ill know if it is correct year of birth.thanks
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Ages in records can be quite fickle- since age at death is given by an informant it may nt be accurate either. It's not at all uncommon to find that a person supposedly aged more or less than than 10 years between 1901 census and 1911 census.
Birth: Catherine Bridget Quinn born 25 Mar.1880 Portobella Place Dublin, parents- John Quinn & Kate Behan
Here's her baptism- http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/284ad40023789
Other possible children-
- Mary Anne (18 Aug.1871 Co.Kildare) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F574-V8K
- Margaret (20 Jan.1873 Co.Kildare) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGY7-3Z7
- Elizabeth (25 Nov.1875 Co.Kildare) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG87-WXW
Strangely enough when searching for other possible children I found a baptism for a Catherine Quinn born 14 March 1874-
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/dce2db0135930
If all these children have the same parents there is just time for Catherine's 1874 birth but suspect the Co.Kildare parents might be a different couple- a problem with common names.
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thank you ill check it all out and hopefully find out more thanks for looking. :)
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[State Reg: James Tracey m. Catherine Quinn Jan - Mar 1901 Rathdown Vol 2 Page 837]
James Tracy & Kate Quinn
Elizabeth Francis Tracy b. 1901 of Holles St Sp. Francis Quinn. St. Andrew’s RC (South Dublin City)
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Hi I’m still looking for Catherine’s birth certificate and first marriage if anyone has any ideas? I found her death certificate stating she was 78 when she died in 1957. Attatched is her second marriage certificate any help greatly appreciated 👍🏻