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Seeking information on Mary Speer Campbell (nee Graham), who is the widow of Samuel Campbell. Samuel Campbell died in 1854. Samuel and Mary lived on Ballycraigy and had eight children. The names of the children are as follows: William Andrew, James, Mary, Margaret, Andrew, Sally, Agnes and Samuel. I'm seeking the marriage date for Samuel and Mary which is about 1837 (possibly in Carnmoney Presbyterian) and their burial location. (Mary died in Ballycraigy in 1887.) Thank you! Michelle
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A lot of baptisms for Carnmoney Presbyterian Church here but can't see any baptisms for the children-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=521542.0
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Thank you for the link. I did find that link earlier today and surfed it for the Campbell children, but to no avail eithr. With that said, I think they came to live at Ballycraigy, but when exactly. Saml's brother willed his land to his nephew Wm Andrew in his last will; late 1870's, thinking it at Ballyrobert. And it was reported by another family member that Samuel died 1854, but no location given, they believed it Ballycraigy. And I did find Mary in the revision books for the land in Ballycraigy, and her son James Campbell took it over after her death (1887) though it was changed into his name much later. Mary and Saml's first born child; a son named Wm Andrew married Mary Barklimore and her father James was of Ballyrobert or perhaps it was Ballyhenry Townland, I can't recall...so this Campbell family were around/in that area ....now to find the baptisms for the children of Sam'l and Mary. We do know for a fact that Mary was born on the Townland of Creevamoy....so I may need to also search First Pres. Church of Broughshane. Does anyone have info on those baptisms?? ...or best to write that church?i THANKS MUCH!!! Michelle
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Hi Michelle,
[A quick reply.]
BARKLIMORE is a rare surname, so easily traced.
James BARKLIMORE definitely seems to have had his roots in Ballyhenry townland.
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/antrim/carnmoney.htm
Barklimore James Ballyhenry Carnmoney Antrim
Barklimore Robert Ballyhenry Carnmoney Antrim
Barklimore Samuel Collinward Carnmoney Antrim
The Belfast News-Letter, Saturday, February 23, 1878; Issue 19524.
DEATHS
BARKLIMORE - February 22nd, at her residence, Ballyhenry, Carnmoney, Mary, relict of the late James Barklimore, aged 77 years. Her remains will be removed for internment in Carnmoney Burying Ground on Monday morning, 25th inst., at 11 0'clock.
Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser, Tuesday, January 31, 1882; Issue N/A.
THE LAND ACT
THE BELFAST SUB-COMMISSION
" ... The court was engaged during the day in hearing applications made by eleven tenants on the estate of Mrs. Elizabeth Biggar, Ardville, Crumlin Road, Belfast, and Mrs. Jane Graham, Londonderry. The estate is situate at Ballyhenry, Belfast.
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Evidence ... Executors of the late James Barklimore, tenants;
The area of the holding was 80A 1R 10P;
Rent £187 0s 2p;
Gross poor-law valuation £83;
The farm is situate in the townland of Ballyhenry. ... "
Other tenants mentioned included:
Samuel KERR
Thomas McCRUM
Andrew HILL
William CHAPMAN
Robert CARLISLE
John DUNDEE
Wm ANDERSON (late)
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Did your info on the family come from the McKINNEY stud books?
[If so, you are presumably seeking confirmation & extended info from the actual records ...]
Capt. Jock
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Hi, and thank you. Actually the info I've posted about the Campbell family and the family that married Wm. Andrew Campbell I've researched out, finding scraps, nuggets of info to compile what I know currently e.g. the Barklimore family. So I thank you MUCH for what you have sent my way. Any info known about James Campbell and wife Margaret Parker, who I just was told were the probable parents of Samuel Campbell b. 1809/circa at Ballyrobert who married Mary Speer Graham b.1818 (my GG Grandfather's elder sister). I search all of the family connections, as one never knows what info is known within the families. Snow bound here in Michigan USA doing online family research! Ne Oublie, Michelle
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Hi,
I'm unable to answer your specific questions but I may be able to help you out a bit. Re. Samuel Graham: his parents were James Campbell and Margaret Parker.
It is also interesting to note that in Mary Speers Campbell's will of 1887 (can be read on PRONI site if you haven't found it already) that she left a bequest to her son Andrew that wasn't to be paid until her late father's wife died. Now as Mary was 68 when she died it means that either this step-mother was very old or her father married a younger woman. If this marriage could be located then perhaps you could determine the name of Mary's father and also his father from the wedding record.
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Thanks...I love this site! ;D Yes, my GG Grandfather was Nath'l Graham, and Mary, the only known sister to date, were children of Wm Graham of the Braid, he and first wife Mary Moffat were the parents to Nath'l and Mary and they were living on the Townland of Creevamoy, sometimes spelled various ways. Mary died circa 1845, and Wm, b. 1795 married a women 30yrs his jr in 1846; she being Sarah "Sally" Morton d/o David, they married in Kirkinriola. Wm died 1876 and he left a will, in which he cited his daughter Mary Speer Graham, by name, but not other children (my Nath left Ireland for Ontario Canada, settling finally here in the State of Michigan USA), nor his wife (Sally) by name, he cited her as his beloved partner....though he did leave the farm etc., to first Sally, then upon her decease it to go to Mary Speer Graham. I think he didn't cite Mary's married name; Campbell as she was widowed by over 21 yrs. Mary Speer Graham Campbell, per her last will confirms she is the one in the same as cited in Wm's Last Will, due to the lands she is giving to Samuel Campbell. Andrew Campbell removed in 1885 to live with wife and children in NSWales Australia, why she left him money, and only to be paid after the decease of her father's widow. NOW, I think she; Sally must have died bet 1887-1893, as that was the year 1893 that Samuel sold the farm in Creevamoy to Wm. McFetteridge. To date I haven't located Wm/Mary or Sally's burial location, but on the hunt...if I find Sally I am pretty sure that is where Wm and Mary would be buried. FYI. In a Morton manuscript cited me years ago, the only mention of Sally was that she married Wm. Graham of the Braid and had no issue. Michelle
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Have sent you a PM on how to contact the transcriber of the McKINNEY stud books.
They contain details of many families from Carnmoney parish (including Ballycraigy townland) as well as others further afield.
[Info extracted from church records, then confirmed by direct conversations with locals.]
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The name Sally fits in very well then, if William's 2nd marriage was in 1845 then the daughter of Samuel & Mary who was born 5 Feb 1849 was most likely named after her. Sally died 9 Sep 1859 as you probably know.
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Yes I know of this Sally being born and dying...do you know where her death date is derived from and/or where she is buried? I would think that Sally and Mary were fond of each other by Mary naming a child this name. Sally was born 1828, and Mary was born 1818, so her father married a MUCH younger woman, it happens/ed!
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Martin...Did you know of Mary's parents prior to me posting? Just curious. As I am seeking also find out why Mary's middle name is Speer. As she had two Speer men, brothers and sons of Gordon Speer witnesses to her Last Will. Not thinking it co-incidence, but they are probably in some way related. Just my two cents. Michelle
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Hi,
No, I didn't know the names of Mary's parents until you posted. I also noticed the connection to Gordon Speer - he is on my own tree as a distant relative of the Moreland family, not exactly a blood relation but on my tree all the same.
Maybe the Speer connection to the Graham was the reason mary came to Ballycraigy and met her future husband?
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I was thinking that my myself, that Mary came to the area and met Samuel. Though, and w/o proof I don't think they married in the Carnmoney area.....call it gut. Her mother and father were living at the time of her marriage to Samuel, circa 1837..as their first born was Wm. Andrew b. circa 1839, I think perhaps she married Samuel in 1st Presbyterian Church of Broughshane...this is where I found my Nathaniel's children baptisms, they began having children in 1843 -- too, he and Mary and spouses were having children at the same time. Nathaniel married Rose Gordon of the Townland of Drummack, which borders Townland of Creevamoy where Mary was born, raised. And the townland of Creevamoy is just up the road from the Village of Brougshane...Graham farm is the first one on the Buckna Rd and which sits between that road and Carnalbonough (sp?) Rd. with the river Braid flowing through the property. I just posted a letter to this church to try to find out about Campbell baptisms in that church...if at the PRONI, this churches' records might be worth searching through for Saml/Mary's children baptisms and the burials for Wm, Mary and Sally. I can tell you that Wm, Mary, Sally if buried at 1st Presbyterian of Broughshane they don't have a headstone...we walked it when there in 1996. Michelle
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Martin....Let Stuart Patrick know that while I don't have any photos id'd of Mary's brother, my Nathaniel Graham, I do have many photos of his and Rose' children, as young adults and some as older men/women. The oldest son Wm Graham born in Creevamoy Townland/1843, and his brothers, sisters. If Stuart has photos of Wm Andrew and/or his siblings it would be fascinating to see if any resemblance is in play between our families! If interested we can swap scans of the photos. Let me know when able. Thanks, Michelle
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Michelle,
Shiver me timbers, it looks cold with you just now!
However, expect that all be go swimmingly with you soon.
[We're experiencing a softer variant here, 'cos we have a bigger "lake" to the West than you!]
Just remember, in a 5 foot deep scenario, to take good care of those precious bottom two feet!
Also, at minus eleven, you've got to be closer to Heaven (than Hell).
http://humor.beecy.net/misc/hellfrozeover/
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Perhaps you can console yourself with thoughts that your ancestor's landlord offspring also found that life in middle America could be pretty tough ... (hailstones the size of cricket balls, etc. ...).
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/books/review/prairie-fever-by-peter-pagnamenta.html?_r=5&
Ref:
PRAIRIE FEVER
British Aristocrats in the American West, 1830-1890
By Peter Pagnamenta
Illustrated. 338 pp. W. W. Norton & Company.
Reckon that the Francis TURNLEY (sic) mentioned must be the great-grandson of the Francis TURNLY who bought the townland of Ballycraigy in Carnmoney parish from Lord Donegall (CHICHESTER) in the 1790s.
http://www.thepeerage.com/p36451.htm#i364507
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FT bought in as a middleman, paying the going rate demanded by the overall landlord, then replaced any tenants who would not pay the increased rents that he demanded.
So, perhaps the SPEERS family took over their tenancy then (1790s).
The SPEERS family owned lands in Ballycraigy townland.
[On the right, heading down the Ballycraigy Road from the village.]
We have a photo of the Rockview Darts Club at an award ceremony dating from ~1953.
The assembled throng, in Ballyrobert Orange Hall, includes a "Hyman SPIERS" - full face, big smile!.
Interestingly we have just received an autobiography written by R.M.SIBBETT in 1909 about a William Montgomery SPEERS, born at Speerstown, near Cullybackey on 18-MAR-1832, a major player in the 1859+ religious revival in Ulster.
[We understand that RMS was a neighbour of the HILLs in Ballyhenry.]
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Two BARKLEMOREs of Ballyhenry feature, as farmers in Carnmoney, in the 1888 Bassetts directory.
N.B. That 1882 court case was about them challenging the new +50% rent levels, caused by the death of the landlord.
Guess you noticed the CAMPBELLs also listed in the Griffiths Valuation for Ballyhenry.
William Fee McKINNEY'S ancestors were of this clan, reckoned to have scarpered from Scotland shortly after the failure of the 1715 Jacobite rebellion.
Capt. Jock & Revving Jock
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Thank you Capt Jock for the info and links you supplied :)
I did not yet know that Wm. Fee McKinney had "Campbell" ancestry. I am hoping for a response from an email I sent to a gentleman I was referred to, onr who has access to Wm's stud books to help me understand what/if any info was recorded about the "Campbell" family also related to the Graham family when he was recording BMD's and his conversation with the locals.
Yes, closer to Heaven, didn't think of that...BUT me likes that thought :)
Michelle.... snowbound in COLD Michigan!
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Michelle,
Expect that the old "cold man" will warm himself in to action soon - usually quite responsive.
Always welcoming of all contact in my experience, though getting on a bit now.
He captured all the diary info from the McKINNEY stud books in to a PAF GEDCOM database.
Then extended it as folks contacted him with family history information over the years.
Understand, that the enhanced database will be released on to the Family Search website in the not too distant future.
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The RMS book mentions that the founder of SPEERStown was a very nice/successful man, but that others took advantage of him, resulting in his losing the family savings when they defaulted on the sureties that he had given for them.
This forced his offspring to have to make their own way in the World (spreading their wings?) in order to succeed.
N.B. Cullybackey isn't a million miles from Broughshane ...
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The popular press over here headlined "Hell has frozen over!" (due to the current polar vortex).
"Hell" being a town in Michigan.
[Such offering an appropriate civic edifice to welcome visitors on the road in ...
Aka "The Gates of Hell"!]
Capt. Jockular
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That is funny of all places eh...a town in the state of Michigan "Hell". If me speaks truth, it should be frozen over, I've been to that town!
Familysearch eh???? WOW, WOW......that will be fantastic.......this year me hopes ???
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This is in reference to the following:
"Interestingly we have just received an autobiography written by R.M.SIBBETT in 1909 about a William Montgomery SPEERS, born at Speerstown, near Cullybackey on 18-MAR-1832, a major player in the 1859+ religious revival in Ulster. [We understand that RMS was a neighbour of the HILLs in Ballyhenry.]"
Is the book you are referring to: R M Sibbett's The Revival in Ulster (Belfast: J W Boyd, 1909)? If it is a different title may I trouble you for a citation? William Montgomery Speers is my great great grandfathers (James) younger brother. I believe they had a sister who went to Australia but cannot get beyond James and William.
Thanking you in advance,
Alexandra
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Might you know the Speers genealogy, David Speers to Gordon Speers to WM John & James Speers....they tend to be of Ballyrobert but most Ballycraigy. I believe Mary Speer (nee Graham) Campbell is related to this particular line, now trying to figure out how. Thanks for any assistance. Michelle
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Alexandra,
The book is a small green paperback (~A6 size).
THE REVIVAL IN ULSTER; or
THE LIFE STORY OF A WORKER
By R.M. SIBBETT
Belfast:
Printed and Published by J.W. Boyd, 2, Union Street
1909
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We only know of a family of that name as farming neighbours in Ballycraigy.
[Fellow renters from the TURNLYs.]
You might be best to start a new topic for your wider/deeper SPEERS interests in this conference.
Very interested to hear if your family had any links with Donegore, or with Newtownards.
Capt. Jock & Revving Jock (who is much interested in what motivated folks religiously)
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Hello - this is to answer the two current responses to my inquiry. First, many thanks.
My Speers line comes out of Londonderry and Antrim. My 2ND grt grandfather James married a Mary Stewart and they had 11 children, that I know of, including a David Speers born Apr 1871, Magherafelt. I know nothing more about this person. However James' eldest surviving son, William, married 1) Margaret Wright had a son David Speers born 26 Sep 1879, Carndaisy who married a Mary Ward and died in 1943. This gentleman moved to Scotland and spelled his last name Spiers. There are no Speers by the first name Gordon in my family that I have traced so far. I see no David's in my 3grt uncles, William Montgomery Speers, line either. The Speers are a difficult lot to sort out. Good luck on it.
Thank you for the info on the Speers book. I have a photocopy of that one and it makes interesting reading unfortunately Sibbett only tantalizes and doesn't give names and dates of parents etc. I haven't come across anything related to Newtownards or Donegore at this time.
James was buried in a cemetery, identified as the family burial site, in Desertlyn, Moneymore. William Montgomery Speers was buried in Town Hill Cemetery with graveside services conducted by the Rev T C Jasper, minister of the First Portglenone Presbyterian Church.
Alexandra
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Good day
Another book by Robert Sibbett, “On the Shining Bann: Records of an Ulster Manor”, gives much detail of goings-on around Portglenone. John SPEERS (sometimes written SPEAR) was a "Grand Juror" (like a town committee member) in the early 19th century.
The North of Ireland Family History Society (NIFHS), where Rosemary Sibbett is a stalwart, will sell you a CD - there's a plug!
Robert was a long-time Belfast journalist and author, and (as Capt Jock says) a neighbour of the Hills, but by that time they were all "down the Hill" near the Antrim road rather than in Ballyhenry townland.
The book also mentions several Sibbetts of Killycoogan and Gortgole and a whole raft of other families. A sample:
North of these residents and neighbouring the road from Portglenone to Rasharkin were the Reids, the Rosses, the Wallaces, the Meeks‘, the Dallass‘s, the Marshalls, the Wilsons, and the Kilpatricks, while towards the Bann were the Adams‘s, the Reas, more Barkleys, the Mooneys, the M‘Caughrins, the M‘Sparrons, the M‘Kees (Owen and Patrick), the Reillys, the Gortgole Reids – a fine old family, which came from Gortfadd – the M‘Grogans, the Evans‘s, the M‘Clenaghans, the Boltons, the Glasses of the Burnside, the Richmonds, the M‘Auleys, the M‘Taggarts, the Ferris‘s, and many others. South and East of the M‘Donnells also resided the Kellys, the M‘Allisters, the Dripps‘s (now the Campbells), the Surgeoners, the Boyds, the M‘Caugheys (of Killycoogan), the Carsons, the Greers, the Kyles, the Taylors, the McCaws, Lisrodden and Killycoogan (the latter family is now substituted by the Simpsons), the Duncans, the M‘Grandles, the Glasses of Bracknamuckley, the Scotts, the Laws, the M‘Ilmoyles, then, towards the Bann, the Andrews‘s, the Stewarts (Whitehill), the O‘Neills (of Rosegift), the M‘Erleans, the Raineys, the O‘Haras, the Glovers, and others of the farming population, who had many sub-tenants, all splendid specimens of manhood and womanhood.
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John SPEERS of Ballyclare was around in the mid 1920s. He contributed to a booklet of quotations published on behalf of (probably to raise funds for...) 1st Ballyeaston Presbyterian. Printed by John Adams of Belfast, but no printer's date. W J Harrison was still their minister and I reckon about 1924.
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Michelle,
We haven't forgotten you!
[Are you still able to see the sun thru' the skylights?!]
There's been a lot of spearin' goin' on here, though not many answers yet!
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Time for the CAMPBELLs to make their 2nd coming.
Revisited my transcriptions of some of McKinney's diaries, to find that I also have CAMPBELL ancestry.
James FERGUSON
= (31-OCT-1723)
Agnes CAMPBELL
7th child (born 39 years in to marriage ... hmm!)
John FERGUSON (1762 - 15-SEP-1837)
= (08-APR-1787)
Mary McCOUGHTRY (1763 - 23-MAR-1845)
1st child.
Jane "Jennie" FERGUSON (02-MAR-1788 - 25-FEB-1871)
= (06-NOV-1821)
James SCOTT (- FEB-1848)
So, we might be cousins, through Agnes' ancestors.
[Not sure which of the CAMPBELL, FERGUSON, McCOUGHTRY or SCOTT genetic influences explains the red hairs appearing in my moustache lately!]
We now know (from Rittrock, thanks) that the FERGUSONs lived at the top of the Kiln Road, right in the NE corner of Ballyvesey (Griffiths plots 7A & 7B) just West of the McKINNEYs in Sentry Hill. abutting the Northern boundary of Ballycraigy.
[They were neighbours of the QUERNs, ministers at Ballycraigy Cg.]
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The CAMPBELL clan played major roles in Scottish history, with their leaders losing their heads over their support for the Covenanters (1640s, against King Charles I) and for Cromwell (1650s, against King Charles II), though things fared better when they opposed the Jacobite cause (1715 & 1745).
There is much online about the family origins.
A 17thC perspective from an Ulster viewpoint can be read here.
http://www.thereformation.info/montms.htm
Keep your spirits up!
Capt Jock
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I actually have a (not very good) reprint of the Sibbett book "On the Shining" along with a separate index. If the CD is a clean copy and easily read I might be interested - my eyes aren't getting any younger.
Snowed in in Virginia,
Alexandra
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It's BACK! The PR word..... = (Polar Vortex). Brrrrrr .....this morning as I rise I learn it is -9 degrees and they are saying MORE snow is coming tonight! We've already recieved a total...... WITH 3 months of winter to go a...... about 45" of snow fallen already. So we are still diggin our way out.
Red hairs/moustache....funny! Some Scandanavian perhaps ????
Yep, still looking for Campbell information. I did write to the fella who has the McKinney info, but to date, he hasn't written back.
Quern is an interesting name as well. One of Mary Speer (nee Graham) Campbell (b. 1818 d. 1887), who was the wife/widow of Samuel Campbelll b. circa 1809 d. 1854 (s/o James Campbell and Margaret Parker)...named a son James Campbell, he was 2nd born, and he and his wife named a son David Quern Campbell. This David Quern Campbell died about 1.5 months after his father James Campbell (b. circa 1843), in the year 1927. Both are buried at Carnmoney. So I did see that there was a Rev. Quern and wondered if there was another relationship to the Campbells and/or James' wife's family.
Mary was born on the Townland of Creevamoy, near Broughshane, Co Antrim Ireland. think her parents were COI, as her father married 2nd in 1846 and he and his wife were COI per the marriage entry I do have. So I am seeking to find Samuel and Mary's marriage entry, probably COI. They married circa 1837, but just not sure where. Perhaps COI records would reveal their marriage information -- yet to order those films in to review. I did write to the First Pres. Church of Ireland -- as that is where her brother, my line, Nathaniel Graham and his wife were married and had their 7 children baptised before they removed from Ireland for Ontario Canada, later state of Michigan.
All I know :-)
Michelle
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Michelle,
Here is what Ron said to me in DEC-2012, about his life-long engagement with capturing/extending the information in William Fee McKINNEY's studbooks electronically.
[Hope he still with us, and you will get a reply soon.
Recall that you could simply generate a whole descendency tree with a single click ...]
"I believe I must have V2 as it is indexed and contains over 11,000 individuals and over 1300 marriages.
It was originally photocopied in 1975 at Sentry Hill by myself and a colleague.
It was then placed into the Personal Ancestral File (PAF) genealogy program.
Since then it has been added to as I have heard from people like yourself, etc.
All the original information was entered into the International Genealogical Index and was accessible in English world-wide.
I made an agreement I would not publish it for profit and I have kept that promise.
I do look ups for everyone who asks me to.
The original record was originally organized alphabetically by family.
I have it organized the same way in my PAF database, plus the additions that have some my way over the past 37 years.
All this has been integrated into the New Family Search program which will be part of the new Family Tree program soon to be available world-wide."
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The "Family Tree" capability does now appear as an offering under www.FamilySearch.org .
I looked for James FERGUSON = (1723) Agnes CAMPBELL but drew a blank.
So maybe not all there yet?
Bit snowed under here currently :) - back with more soon!
Capt Jock
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Hi! How have you been? My computer crashed so I've been out of researching for a couple of weeks. How might I inquire of someone to look up one death notice that I found, but I cannot access - ancestry doesn't, of course, have the last 6 months loaded for this year...as I found a reference she (Mary Speer Campbell) in the Belfast News issue; Dec 8, 1887 -- as it may indicate where she was buried. Any guidance will be helpful! Thanks....still COLD, and getting colder. Spring can't be too far away now I pray. Michelle
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Got it- give me a minute...
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Belfast News Letter, 8 Dec.1887: CAMPBELL- December 6, at her late residence, Ballycraigy, Mary Speer, relict of the late Samuel Campbell, aged 70 [?] years. The remains of my beloved mother will be removed for interment in Ballylinney Burying-ground, this (Thursday) afternoon, at one o'clock. James Campbell.
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I just saw this...and I TRULY thank you so very much for finding this for me! Michelle
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Hi
I just found your request for information about Samuel Campbell and Mary S Graham. You may have the following already but hopefully some of it will be new.Samuel was the son of my G.G.G g/father and the brother of my G.G mother Mary. Samuel married Mary S Graham on c 1837 and the birth dates (or maybe christenings?) were as follows -Wm 30.3.1839, James 19.1.1841, Mary 9.2.1843, Margaret 30.1.1845, Andy 21.10.1847, Sally 5.2.1849, Agnes 1851, Samuel 1853. All records in Carnmoney Presbyterian Church.
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Might be some entries on the family here-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,521542.0.html