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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: dutchwouter on Saturday 04 January 14 13:36 GMT (UK)
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l.s.,
SUSANNA QUINNELL was born i think on 17 march 1822. Left below there is a remark i can't read. Who has more information about Susanna and perhaps the house on the sampler? Dimensions of the sampler are appr. 45 x 45 cm. I bought the sampler some while ago in the Netherlands.
with kind regards,
wouter
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I have put a little about her on your previous entry.
A suggestion for the text in the bottom corner is that it could be her attempt at, "IN DAYS OF YOUTH. "
But it looks as though she badly planned her spacing and had to squeeze the final 'H' onto the line above.
Roy G
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thanks roy, i think you are right, on Dutch samplers there is sometimes also the mention of young girls who should learn to make embroideries in order to become a good housewife in later days
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Hello,
Susanna Quinnell christened, 3/17/1822 in Plastow/Kirdford is on my family tree, the sister of my great grandfather John Quinnell
I'm interested in knowing more about the sampler and your linking of it to the Susanna Quinnell of Sussex. Maybe there's something on the sampler I'm not able to see in the image you posted?
Jann
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hello jann,
you mean Plastow/Kirdford is not in Sussex? or her her birthday is in fact her christening date? i found that date in an earlier topic on this site, but that could be wrong (as a dutchman i do not fully understand everything)?
wouter
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Hi wouter,
Plaistow and Kirdford are in West Sussex - on the Surrey border. I think the confusion was simply because without reading your other thread we don't know where you had got the idea that Susanna had links to this County.
Now that I have read the other thread I see that people have found a suitable candidate for Susanna. I am still a little puzzled - does the sampler actually have her birthday on it? I can only see 1836, aged 14? Does it give her birthday as 17th March somewhere?
Liz :D
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Hi Liz and Wouter,
Where is the other thread? I did a search and only came up with today's commnets.
I would like to see the original image.
Jann
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:D Here you go - it was in the look up requests:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=672763.0
But it still doesn't answer the question of the date of birth ... :)
Liz
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Thanks much, Liz.
Wouter, I'd be interested in knowing more about the circumstances in which you came upon the sampler. A flea market? On-line? I'm wondering how a very common English sampler made its way the Netherlands. Would you be able to post a picture that shows the entire sampler?
My Susanna was one of 13 children. The older children were born in Surrey, #s 10-13 were christened in Sussex. The Quinnells were mostly agricultural laborers.
In re; DOB. My Susanna and a sister, Charlotte, were christened on 3/17/1822. It's possible both were born on that date, but I think it more likely that neither one was born on March 17.
I would love for this sampler to have been made by my Susanna. But I doubt I'd ever be 100% sure.
Jann
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Wouter,
Skip my request for the picture. I was able to get it from what you've already posted.
Jann
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As I way of briefly tying the two topics on the same matter together, Wouter obviously knew (presumably because it's embroidered on the RH side of the sampler) Susanna Quinnell's birth date. The date matches an IGI record for the baptism of a daughter to James & Hannah of Kirdford, but the entry in the Kirdford records uses the date of 17 Mar 1822 with the surname Quenel.
Susanna married Lewis Tyrrell in Ockham Surrey on 8 Feb 1851, and appears with him and their child aged 4 months on the 1851 census. There have been other sightings of her in other records and other census years, but how the sampler turns up about 175 years later in Holland, is certainly intriguing.
The transcript of the entry in the Sussex Family History Group database shows her father James was a Farmer and as previously mentioned, she also had a sister Charlotte baptised with her on the same day. So could these have been a pair of twins that were rapidly baptised on the day of their birth in case one or both failed to survive?
It could be them living near Midhurst on the 1841 census index, listed as Charlotte and Hannah Quinnell born circa 1821.
Roy G
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sorry for the misunderstandings, the sampler does not have her birthday on it, the sampler came from a Dutch household with more English items, one of them is a so called "half (or lady) steamer trunk" which belonged to a Mrs M.O.G. Lees (this trunk bears the initials "O L" = her husband?). perhalps that can make a clue with the sampler. i will make another post of this trunk later on.
as i understand it well, there are two possible candidates? one Susanna was married and one lived with her twin-sister? and the appearance of the house on the sampler is not a clue as too common?
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Re ......... there are two possible candidates?
[1] one Susanna was married and [2] one lived with her twin-sister?
NO, just one candidate called Susanna [1], whose parentage and early history we seem fairly sure about. but no one has ever written [2] that in her adult years she lived with Charlotte who baptismal records suggest could have been her twin.
The IGI (familysearch.org) lists Susanna QUENEL(L)'s other siblings as:
Elisha bapt 1818, and Martha bapt 1823 died 1823.
The IGI also shows the baptism of Susanna's son John Tyrrell Quennell also took place in Ockham on 2 Feb 1851. That was a few days before she married Lewis Tyrrel, probably in the same church.
Re .......... and the appearance of the house on the sampler is not a clue as (it is) too common.
You are right there. It is believed that schools had pre printed samplers for girls to work on, many with the same basic design, but each must have also included spaces for the girl to embroider her name and add other information.
Solving the trunk problem will be more difficult on this site, for there is no certainty of a continuing Sussex connection. You may need to look for other clues like shipping lines or using the name of one ship in particular to date when Mrs MOG Lees traveled and where to.
Roy G
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Hi,
A quick search on IGI leads me to suspect that "OL", the monogram on the trunk, is missing the first letter. Makes sense. Most monograms are 3 initials. The monogram might well be Mrs. Lee's, not her husbands.
My research on the Quinnell family (not exhaustive) shows no connection to a Lees family. I'll continue to look into that.
I believe that this sampler must have spent most of its life with the Quinnell family. Something so ordinary would not otherwise have survived.
Jann