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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cavan => Topic started by: Alexis Sally on Saturday 04 January 14 10:52 GMT (UK)
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Hello im looking for help my 3x great grandparents were from cavarn I think they came to england in 1948 there names were ann and hugh Gallagher hugh was born in 1925 and ann 1928 dose anybody know anything about them while in ireland please
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You are getting into 'recent' history so perhaps there's someone in the family who could fill in a few more details? Do you know if Hugh and Ann got married in Ireland or England?
Hello im looking for help my 3x great grandparents were from cavarn I think they came to england in 1948 there names were ann and hugh Gallagher hugh was born in 1925 and ann 1928 dose anybody know anything about them while in ireland please
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Re-reading the original message- it's doubtful "3x great grandparents" would have been born in 1920s, etc. so could you verify the dates please (will make a huge difference to advice)
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No sorry nobody in my family even knew there names only that they came from ireland I found them in a cencus with there oldest child barney he was birn in brekon in wales and later on a cencus with his wife grace
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No sorry nobody in my family even knew there names only that they came from ireland I found them in a cencus with there oldest child barney he was birn in brekon in wales and later on a cencus with his wife grace
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The latest available U.K. census is 1911- so did you mean to say "I think they came to england in 1848 there names were ann and hugh Gallagher hugh was born in 1825 and ann 1828" ?
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Sorry I meny 1825 hugh was born in and 1828 ann and they came to engkand about 1848 as thats when there son barney / bernard was born in wales
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The latest available U.K. census is 1911- so did you mean to say "I think they came to england in 1848 there names were ann and hugh Gallagher hugh was born in 1825 and ann 1828" ?
yes sorry x
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That's okay- can now give you some information/advice :)
Firstly, Ireland was part of the U.K. so no records were kept of people travelling between Ireland and England, Wales and Scotland.
Civil registration of births in Ireland started later than in England (1864) so there will be no birth certificates for the family. However, son Barney's Welsh birth certificate will list names of both parents so you will then get Ann's maiden name.
Was Barney the eldest child you've found? if so, once you know Ann's maiden name then look for marriage in Wales (registration of Catholic marriages in Ireland started 1864 so probably too late, registration of non-Catholic ones including Registry Office started 1845).
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Thankyou il try that yes barney was the oldest child so I need his birth certificate ? As I only found this on a cencus
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Other thing I meant to mention was to trace the family in all possible census records. If Hugh or Ann are found on 1911 census (we can't do lookups for that particular one) there might be a more exact place of birth.
If you post the details you have so far we might be able to help you find more in Welsh records.
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Yes I have found a cencus that says couny monoghan for both if them
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Yes I have found a cencus that says couny monoghan for both if them
Yes, but 1911 might say a more exact place of birth.
And why have you posted on Cavan board if they were from Monaghan?
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Becose somebody on roots chat told me they might have been from cavran sorry I thought they might have been near each other
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"somebody on roots chat told me they might have been from cavran" ? exactly what information did they give you? to look for Irish ancestors in this timeframe you will need all the clues you can get.
Found the earlier posts-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=655972.msg5022385#msg5022385
"1871 in Longwood Yorkshire Hugh and Ann show County 'Cavern' which I am assuming to be Cavan
1881 shows Monaghan"
did you ever get the marriage or one of the children's birth certificates?
think I might have found there marriage 1846 Milford Anne morrow and Hugh Gallagher it's the only one I can find x :)
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And 1861 census gives more details-
Hi again,
I would say that this is Bernard's birth registration on Free BMD
Barnat Galahar March quarter 1848 Brecknock vol 26 pg 269
Just found them in 1861 2553/ 79/24
Ollerset Hamlet, Derbyshire
Hugh Collogan 38 yrs Maker and hawker of tinware b Ireland Town of Cavin
Ann Collogan 35 yrs b Ireland Farmonick
Bernard Collogan 13 yrs b Brecon Wales
Winifred Collogan 7 yrs b Durham Bishop Auckland
Rosa Collogan 5 yrs b Derbyshire New Mills
Hugh Collogan 3 yrs b Durham Bishop Auckland
Mary Collogan 1yr b Yorkshire Halifax
Farmonick could be Fermanagh
Looking at this, it would be good to get that certificate for Bernard because of the gap between Bernard and Winifred. There could be a second marriage for Hugh, or there could be more births with deaths of infants.
regards
heywood
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Yes thats them can you do a check for me as my ancestry subscription has ran out on a 1841 cencus in hugh gallagher can you see if its the same one as then we would know that they might have been married in england ? It was on a later cencus it said birth place was county monaghan
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It's the 1881 census that shows 'Monaghan'
It's against Ancestry terms & conditions (and thus Rootschat copyright policy) to ask for Ancestry lookups. You can search English & Welsh vital records (births, marriages, deaths) on FreeBMD site but you really need Ann's maiden name to be sure of match (as I explained and was also explained previously).
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/