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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: hatfinch on Tuesday 31 December 13 17:19 GMT (UK)
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Dear all,
I'm a newcomer here, so please don't hesitate to set me straight on any transgressions of etiquette :)
My wife has ancestors by the name of Worsley-Taylor, who according to the notes of one of her cousins descend from a James Worsley of The Laund, who in turn descends from Nicholas Worsley of Rising Bridge.
These notes are handwritten, somewhat haphazard and not well-documented. The aforementioned Nicholas was apparently born 1700 and his father James born 1688. Then we have three further generations going back -- Thomas, another Nicholas and another Thomas.
Nicholas (1700) married an Elizabeth Law, James (1688) married a Mary Lord, and his father Thomas married an Elizabeth Ramsbottom. I do not have wives for the other Nicholas and Thomas.
I'm wondering if these Worsleys might be connected to the main Worsley family descended from Sir Elias de Workesley. Does anyone recognise the associations of the name with The Laund or Rising Bridge?
Thanks,
Hamish
P.S. Happy New Year to those of you in eastern parts of the world, or those further west reading later :)
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Welcom to the Lancashire board Hatfinch :)
I can see a baptism for Nicholas Worsley, father James, on ancestry's "England and Wales Christening records" set, baptised 6 October 1700 at Altham, which is the area you are looking for.
I think there are transcriptions for Altham on the Lancashire Online Parish Clerk site, but there seems to be a problem with the site at the moment. I'll check again later. There might be a mention of Rising Bridge there:
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
the home page is fine but the links and Search are down, which is unusual for that site, its normally very well behaved
Googling "James Worsley" and "The Laund" you get references to Sir W H Worsley-Taylor being only son of James Worsley of The Laund, who died c. 1869, and Alice Worsley nee Clegg. They are at the Laund on the 1851 census:
James Worsley born c. 1805 at Lower Booths, widower, farmer of 30 acres
Henry W Worsley, son born 1848, Accrington.
HO107/2250/540 Page 1
I think if you want to get the ancestry right, you need to start with James Worsley of The Laund and work back, as there is quite a gap between 1805 and Nicholas' birth in 1700! But hopefully only three/four generations, so it should be possible.
:) Barbara
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St James Haslingden,
12th September 1725
Nicolas Worssly of Rysen Bridge
Elizabeth Law of Hencroft
Grooms father James Worstly cloathor, mother Mary
HOW UNUSUAL TO SEE A FATHER NAMED IN AN EARLY REGISTER OF MARRIAGES,
Brides father Denise Law, yeoman, mother Alic,
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Nice one Radcliff :)
and Lancs OPC working again! with the marriage of William Worsley-Taylor's parents:
1 May 1845, St James, Altham
James Worsley of Full Age, Yeoman, Bachelor, Accrington
Alice Clegg of Full Age, Spinster, Altham
Groom's Father: James Worsley, deceased, Manufacturer
Bride's Father: Henry Clegg, deceased, Yeoman
Witness: Henry Jones; Mary Anne Booth
Married by Licence by: Wm Wood
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Ecstatic its working again,
I love the site , as you can just put one word in an hey ho , take your pick , un like the books I have , one day I will give back some time and transcribe, for them,but as yet I still work full time,
the poster has some information , so it just needs confirmation,
St James Haslingden,
21st October 1684
Thom Worsley-
Elizabetha Ramsbottom
married by apud nos publicat
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St James,
Baptisms,
Elizabetha Worsley fil of Thom Worsley
baptised 5th September 1685
abode Flaxmosse
Thomae, 26th June 1687
abode Flaxmosse,
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Rising Bridge but a different occupation
St James Haslingden
7th November 1765
James Worseley
abode Rising Bridge
a yeoman, buried
I have tried to look the family up on line at Lancashire archives, but without a phonetic search, I am getting no where,
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St James
16th August 1695
Eliz Worsley wife of Thos
abode Laneside,
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Lancashire archives,
Marriage Bond,
ARR 11
31/10/1808
James Worsley
aged 30.
manufacturer
abode ,Rising Bridge, Lower Booths, Forrest of Rossendale ,
bride to be,
Ellen Foster,
aged 30,
widow,
Abode given as Preston,
marriage place Preston,
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Hamish I am not one for nit picking but you have Nicholas born 1700
son of James born 1688 , am I miss reading your post,
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My feudal overlords! The Worsley-Taylors of Moreton Hall.
I pay ground rent to the Worsley-Taylor Estate. Don't know anything about them except their solicitors is at Northallerton. If they lived at the Laund that was probably a long time ago - the Laund's best remembered association is with the Bulloughs before their money went to their heads. Gone now, of course, only a few bricks and stones remain of it by a pubic footpath.
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Thank you all so much for your responses!
@Barbara.H, I do have another James Worsley and a Henry Worsley, both of The Laund, in between H W Worsley(-Taylor)'s father James, and Nicholas Worsley of Rising Bridge. But I will investigate these carefully, as I now rather suspect the notes I was given (see below).
@Radcliff, you're quite right that it makes no sense for Nicholas Worsley's father James to have been born in 1688 given that Nicholas himself was born in 1700. And now that I look at my tree again, I don't have 1688 for James Worsley -- so I'm not sure where I got that idea from. But if Thomas Worsley and Elizabeth Ramsbottom were married in late 1684, it's still unlikely that James was born more than 16 years before Nicholas, so perhaps this whole line is suspect.
@BashLad, what a small world! From your username I would guess you are in Bashall Eaves? Moreton Hall is gone, the Worsley-Taylors have "daughtered out" and none of those daughters (now past child-bearing age) have children, so the estate is now in trust.
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My feudal overlords! The Worsley-Taylors of Moreton Hall.
I pay ground rent to the Worsley-Taylor Estate. Don't know anything about them except their solicitors is at Northallerton. If they lived at the Laund that was probably a long time ago - the Laund's best remembered association is with the Bulloughs before their money went to their heads. Gone now, of course, only a few bricks and stones remain of it by a pubic footpath.
The Estate solicitors are not in Northallerton. The managing agents are Strutt & Parker in Harrogate and they are the people to address and queries to.
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St James Haslingden,
12th September 1725
Nicolas Worssly of Rysen Bridge
Elizabeth Law of Hencroft
Grooms father James Worstly cloathor, mother Mary
HOW UNUSUAL TO SEE A FATHER NAMED IN AN EARLY REGISTER OF MARRIAGES,
Brides father Denise Law, yeoman, mother Alic,
Radcliff
I have an Elizabeth Worsley marrying William Taler (Taylor) in Altham in 1740 and wondering if she could be Nicolas' sister? Any idea how to make that connection?
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I have an Elizabeth Worsley marrying William Taler (Taylor) in Altham in 1740 and wondering if she could be Nicolas' sister? Any idea how to make that connection?
Do you know any more about this William Taler?
John Taylor of Friar Hall and Broad Oak (born about 1741) had (as far as I know) five children: John (c.1765), James (c.1770), Jennet, Alice and Betsy. James apparently bought Moreton but died without issue and Moreton passed to John (1765)'s son John (1802). That John also died without issue.
Jennet had had two children, Elizabeth and Margaret, and the Taylor estate passed to Elizabeth, who had married a Rev. Richard Edwards and became Elizabeth Edwards-Taylor. She died without issue and her unmarried sister became Margaret Pilling-Taylor. Margaret then left the Taylor name / estate to Henry Wilson Worsley, but I don't know why. If the same Taylor family married the same Worsley family in 1740, perhaps this would go some way towards joining the dots?
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The only piece of information I know is that William Taylor/Taler and Elizabeth were married in Altham 1740 and had a son named John in 1745 that married Alice Smith in 1770 in All Saints' Church in Wigan. So far as I can piece together William was a miner/collier as was his child and grandchildren so I "assumed" that my Taylors did not come from any type of wealth.