RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) Lookup Requests => Topic started by: CarlaCJAC on Saturday 28 December 13 22:26 GMT (UK)
-
I would appreciate a look up for a Jane Rowley who gave birth to Newyear Rowley/Rowlin/Rawling in Rudston in 1761. Who was Jane, where was she born and where did she die, her parents or Newyear's father? The last name was more likely Rowlin or Rawling rather than Rowley, but I am not sure. Thank you very much.
-
Hi, welcome to Rootschat
I'm afraid that if Newyear was illegitimate there is probably not much chance of finding his father's name.
-
I know it cant be him, but have you seen the newspaper reports on Find My Past about the attempted murder of a Newyear Rowlin in 1878 at Hunton Farm by his brothers in law George Wm. Baron, of Ruelston, and Jordan Smith Baron of Hilderthorpe? Is this your Newyear's son, a coincidence with such an unusual name if there is no connection?
-
Newyear may have been Jane's illegitimate child....but there is some indication that Rowley/Rowlin/Rawling may have been her married name with the father from out of the parish. A confounding factor may have been Joshua Rowlin (Cow Doctor and author of a text book) of Cumberland, whom I highly suspect may have been an uncle, father or a brother to either her or her husband. {An originally copy of that book was passed through the generations to me as having been written by a forefather.} Thanks for your look ups and any hints you can give to the origin of this Rowlin family in East Riding. Yes....the Newyear whose brother-in-laws were charged and convicted of attempted murder was the grandson of the Newyear who was born in 1761 in Rudston. (They apparently were planning on "having it out" with Newyear II's father-in-law who was the owner of Hunton Farm and very old. Newyear II got to the farm before they did, got the old man and Newyear's daughter to safety, then they bent a fire poker over Newyear II's head.)
Newyear, the original, has been alternatively listed as an oat mealer and as a cattle farmer with land.
-
I am researching the author Joshua Rowlin, mentioned in this thread, who lived 1708-1792, and had a book published posthumously by an editor as The Cow Doctor or Farmer's Companion. He lived at Hollins (a farm on an estate of that name in the parish of Lamplugh in Cumberland, and other family members of the same name appear to have lived on there of another 80 years or so. The name varies as Rowling(s), Rawling(s). A nephew, William Rowlin, lived at Hollins in 1793 and supplied the manuscript notes from which the book was compiled.
I would be interested in any further information about him, his parents and children, and also to hear from any descendants who have copies of his books (editions from 1799, and from the 1810-1820 period [undated] exist).
Thanks, Andrew.
-
Hi Andrew....it appears that Joshua was not the father of my Newyear but a uncle, most likely great. He himself never did have children, but his brothers and sisters had many some of whom still live in the Lamplugh/Cumberland. The Rowlin/Rawling family lived in that area from around 1590.
From a medical history point of view, the biggest contribution he made was differentiating cattle plague between anthrax and rinderpest by symptom. Rinderpest has subsequently, and then not until the 21st century, been declared the second only virsus to be eradicated in the world. (Reports of its death may be premature.) best carla
-
Thanks Carla. Is there a family tree available somewhere, and does he have a gravestone at the local church? I'm interested in the background of his family. From what I have picked up from local archives they seem to have been typical tenant farmers, and occupied Hollins for a long time.
Andrew.
-
Yes on all the questions. Go to ancestry and look up Joshua Rawling or Joshua Rowlin. There are several public sites. I have one also but think I have it private because I was hunting and a pecking at first. I'll check and make it public. The term Hollins means holly and there indeed was a holly stand that was used by drovers as a topping ground back into the 1600s. On my site I have a picture of his grave marker than has been copied on to various other sites. Also a book Cattle Droving through Cumbria by Peter Roebuck just published last year as a bit on Joshua. May I ask why are you interested in Joshua? Best, carla
-
I'm a vet interested in veterinary history and its literature. I like to try to put "flesh on the bones" of the authors of historical veterinary books in an attempt to put their work into context. Rootschat has already helped me a lot with one or two other authors, even though most members are perhaps looking purely at ancestry. Hopefully, in return, I can feed back more information about these important ancestors.
Hope that explains it.
-
Hi Andrew...I come from at least 7 generations of Rowlin vets, cow doctors, horse and cattle dealers, from England into Canada and then California, my father being the last. Since I first posted on Joshua, I have done a fair amount of research on him and that family including currently living Cumbria Rowlin/Rawlings. I would be pleased to provide you with what I have as well as photos of the farm (s) and markers. I'm glad you are working on Joshua. I had been amassing info as I had intended to write about him but then I recognized I did not know enough about veterinarian medicine to do it justice. I would prefer not to put some of the info on a public board, especially re those still living. How may I contact you?
-
CarlaCJAC, you can contact Andrew privately via the private messaging system (the letter thing under his name)
-
I'm fine with that.
Andrew.
-
Hi there, if anyone's still paying attention to this chat (and Hi again Carla - we've emailed in the past)
I've got a page on my site about this Rawling of Hollins line
http://www.ianewilliamson.co.uk/gen/lines/Rawling/RawlingStory.html
Would be pleased to hear from people.
-
Hi Ian.
I was researching Joshua Rowlin and his book back in 2016 and had some useful help from Carla. Thanks for posting your article about the family, which has prompted me to pick up where I left off.
Happy to communicate by personal message, if that would suit you.
Regards,
Andrew.