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Title: Greenwell
Post by: corpust on Friday 27 December 13 10:47 GMT (UK)
I am trying to trace the family of William Edward Greenwell,born 1899,Lanchester.Would appreciate any census details.Thankyou.
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: AMBLY on Friday 27 December 13 11:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Corpust

His Family, do you mean:  his wife and children, descendants - or his parents, siblings, ancestors?

Do you have him on any Census?

A little clarification will help us to better help you ,  and avoid us spending time looking for details about him that you may already know  :)

Cheers
AMBLY
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: corpust on Friday 27 December 13 11:06 GMT (UK)
I mean his parents and siblings.Thanks.We don`t have him on any census,so far.
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: rosie17 on Friday 27 December 13 11:10 GMT (UK)
Do you know if his father was Joseph Greenwell I think I have him on 1911 census but I can't post details will send you P M ..A tree has a marriage for William Edward Greenwell to Emily Garbutt in June 1920 could that be him
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: AMBLY on Friday 27 December 13 11:16 GMT (UK)
Wiliam Edward GREENWELL
BIRTH registered Oct 1898, Lanchester
DEATH registered Jun 1971, Worth Valley, Yorkshire , with dob as 31 Aug 1898

1911:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWHT-KH5

Search for him here:
http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx?4
Make use of the advanced search and put him in as "other Members of the household" to see who he is with.

And search for him here:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xda/
His stated POB is given on this one

Cheers
AMBLY
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: cath151 on Friday 27 December 13 11:32 GMT (UK)
Hi,
He is on the 1911
This looks like the same family in 1901 but going under the surname Brown

Rg13/4674  5/2
7, Railway St, Craghead

Joseph Brown  head mar  46 Dep Overman in Coal Mine   Harraton, Durham
Elizabeth "       wife  mar  42                                         Wombwell Main, Yorkshire                 
Thomas   "       son           18 Electrician                      Hetton Le Hole,Durham
Polly       "       dau           16                                 Browns Buildings ,Durham
William Meakin adopted son 12                                   Sheffield,Yorkshire                                 
Alfred   Brown  son           9                                     Hetton Le Hole,Durham                               
Arthur    "        son           6                                     Edmondsley,Yorkshire
William   "        son           2                                     Craghead,Durham

Several different places of birth, I think I ve mixed them up, will add later :)
Cathy                                               
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 27 December 13 11:41 GMT (UK)
Interesting this is the only Marriage that I could find that fitted;

Dec 1877, Wakefield, 9c 75
Joseph GREENWELL/Eliza MEAKIN

She would be very young if married 1877 and wondered why they would marry in Yorkshire.
Could William Meakin age 12 in 1901 be her Brother?

1881 we have;
Joseph GREENWELL, 27, Head, Mar, Coal Miner, born Novia Scotia, Durham
Eliza, 21
Joseph, 6mths


Trish :)
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 27 December 13 11:48 GMT (UK)
Look like William Meakin may be Elizas Widowed Brothers Son. I will have to investigate that more.
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: AMBLY on Friday 27 December 13 11:50 GMT (UK)
So they were GREENWELL in 1881 & 1911
And BROWN on 1891, 1901.....

1891: 45 Henry Street, Hetton le Hole

RG12 - Piece 4116  / Folio 20 / Pg34
Head: Joseph BROWN, 36, Coal Miner, b Nova Scotia, Durham
Wife: Eliza BROWN 31, b Womble Main, Yorkshire
Son: Thomas BROWN 8, Scholar, b Low Down, Durham
Dau: Polly BROWN 6, b Browns Buildings, Durham

Cheers
AMBLY
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 27 December 13 11:55 GMT (UK)
Mmm strange.
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 27 December 13 12:03 GMT (UK)
1871 he is under Joseph Greenwell born c 1855 Ns, Durham, England
Image has born Nova Scotia
RG10/4992/28/10

1871 Census
Harraton Colliery, Durham
Robert GREENWELL, 41, Head, Mar, Coal Miner, born Fatfield
Margaret, 27, Wife, Mar, born Birtley
Catherine, 18, Daug
JOSEPH, 16, Son, Caol Miner
Robert, 14, Son, Coal Miner
Edward, 11, Son, Coal Miner
Jane, 4
David, 7mths

Looks like Margaret is not the older Childrens Mother
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: AMBLY on Friday 27 December 13 12:16 GMT (UK)
Still GREENWELL!

1861: Harraton Pit House,  Harraton, Chester le Street, Durham

RG 9 - Piece 3762/ Folio 30 / Pg 14
Robert GREENWELL 32, Coal Miner, b Chester le Street
Wife: Jane 35, b Newcastle, Northumberland
Dau: Catherine 9
Son: Joseph 7,
Son: Robert 5,
Son: Edward 1
All children b Chester le Street

2 names on marriage , Sep Qtr 1851 Gateshead.
Robert GREENWELL
Jane RUTTER

Cheers
AMBLY
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 27 December 13 12:17 GMT (UK)
1891 Robert Greenwelll is under;
Robert Brown Alias Grunwell, born c 1830 Fatfield
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: AMBLY on Friday 27 December 13 12:31 GMT (UK)
Voila !  :D

Good find Trish!

Cheers
AMBLY
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: corpust on Friday 27 December 13 14:19 GMT (UK)
It does seem  I`ve been chasing the wrong William Greenwell.Ours married Charlotte Smith in 1922 and he died in 1963,in Heworth.There were no children,hence the lack of info.
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: rosie17 on Friday 27 December 13 14:32 GMT (UK)
Very odd indeed ???
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: AMBLY on Friday 27 December 13 22:47 GMT (UK)
The William Edward GREENWELL, birth registered Lanchester Dec Qtr 1898, whom we have been following….son of Joseph & Eliza/Elizabeth...  we are pretty certain the census, marriage and 1971 death we have found is the same man.  But BMD documents  would prove it .

In your original posting, you said your man was born Lanchester 1899.  Where did that information come from? Did you know him to have a middle name?

MARRIAGE: Mar Qtr 1922, Chester le Street
William GREENWELL
Charlotte SMITH

DEATH: William GREENWELL, age 74
Dec Qtr 1963, Durham NE

No middle "E" or  "Edward" evident on either the death or marriage.

Given the above, I'd say the chances are, your William GREENWELL could be the one whose birth is registered as follows (and as it happens,  in the same year and qtr as the William Edward in Lanchester we've already looked at):

BIRTH: William GREENWELL, Chester le Street, Dec Qtr 1898

On the Census, the one most likely to be him this lad ( & Pelton comes under the Chester le Street registration district):

CENSUS 1901: Bowden Terrace, Helmington Row,  Durham
RG13 - Piece 4651, Folio 13  , Page 18
Head: William LANE 57, Coal Miner Hewer, b N.K., Lancashire
Wife: Mary A LANE 53, b Shildon Durham
Son: John LANE 30, singler, Contractor/ Cartman, b Bowden Close
Dau: Hannah GREENWELL 21, married, b Bowden Close
Son: Joseph LANE 13, Contractor/ Cartman, b Bowden Close
Dau: Rose LANE 14, b Bowden Close
Dau: Matilda LANE 5, b Bowden Close
Grandson: William GREENWELL 2, b Pelton Durham

MARRIAGE: Jun Qtr 1898, Auckland, Durham, on same page:
Sarah Hannah LANE
John White GREENWELL

MARRIAGE: Mar Qtr 1906, Auckland, Durham
Sarah Hannah GREENWELL
To: Christopher LIDDLE

And as follows, I believe to be one family:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWHL-64S
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWHL-643
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWHL-647

Use the links to the search tools I gave you earlier to  determine  if  the above 3 are all in same household.

This seems the likely match to your William GREENWELL, but  unless there is information in the above census etc that matches what you know of your William, then the marriage cert to Charlotte  will (hopefully) be  the necessary 100%  proof you need, to ensure you're on the right path.

Cheers
AMBLY
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 27 December 13 23:32 GMT (UK)
Hi not much to add to above post, the marriage was 18th February 1922 Grooms parish Hew and marriage Eighton Banks

Keyboard86
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: corpust on Saturday 28 December 13 13:47 GMT (UK)
I think you have found the William Greenwell I have been looking for.Thankyou.My original post was based on only a hunch, plus relative`s memories of him.Apologies for sending everyone on the wrong path.William and Charlotte had no children,which made the research a more difficult task.
Title: Re: Greenwell
Post by: Hayhay on Thursday 26 August 21 14:30 BST (UK)
The area at north Fatfield and Harraton colliery was called Nova Scotia. I was told that at one time a huge influx of Scottish miners came to work at the pit, which was one of the oldest in the country. The miner who worked at the pit called it Cotia not Harraton and  pronounced  it 'Cosha.'