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Hi :)
I'm looking for Jane Savage Born about 1837 in Alconbury Weston according to the later census entries. I think her parents might be Thos and Martha Winser who were married in 1821 at Old Weston. Any info gratefully received, Ruth :)
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I'm not convinced that Thomas and Martha were Jane's parents, Ruth.
I found a Martha Savage in 1861, widow 64 born Old Weston, in the household of John Savage 35 widower born Glatton, Hunts.
I checked Glatton 1841 and found
Thomas Savage 40 ag lab
Martha Savage 40
Elizabeth 13, Sarah 8. All born in Hunts
I'd already checked Alconbury Weston and drawn a blank, for any Savages.
There is a Savage family in Sawtry All Saints in 1861, John 49 and Sarah 45 where Sarah was born in Alconbury, John in Sawtry. Another family in Sawtry was headed by William Savage 25 born Alconbury with his brother John 20 b Sawtry
I've found this family in Sawtry in 1841; John Savage 25 ag lab; Sarah Savage 20; William Savage 5; Charles Savage 3, John Savage 11mths, all born in Hunts. So a family of Savages moved from Alconbury to Sawtry sometime prior to mid 1840.
But no sign of a Jane anywhere!
What was Jane's married name, and where was she married?
If she married William Slow in Alconbury Weston on 28 May 1855 her father was Charles Savage, which makes a mockery of everything I've written above!
regards
David
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Hi David,
She did marry William Slow in 1855. I looked at the Savage family on the Huntingdonshire marriage records and Thomas and Martha were married at the right time at the right place. If Janes father is Charles then he either married Mary Green at Upton cC in 1824 or Elizabeth Padder at Stilton in 1828, thanks, Ruth
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Hi Ruth
Going through the 1841 at this very moment! I'm spreading out from Alconbury Weston (do you need the Slow details, as they're in the village, William aged 10) as they can't be very far if Jane married in the village. just done Upton with no success.
The marriage by the way was on the BVRI CDRom produced by the LDS, although it didn't have Jane's christening on it.
I'll be back!
David
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Hi David,
Well........ if you are looking anyway and getting William Slows details would be no bother ;D I have his parents pegged as James Slow and Mary Palmer, the marriage date seemed about right, 1823. Although when I looked on the Familysearch site I couldn't find details of Williams birth or christening. I've ordered the church records for Offord Cluny, Little Stukeley and Offord Darcy from Genfair so they should help with Naomi Smiths family, thanks, Ruth
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Hi David,
I notice that there is a Jane Savage born at St Ives in sept 1837 on the free bmd. Maybe that's where her family are? Ruth
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Hi Ruth
HO107/450-02 Folio 8A
Alconbury Weston
James Slow 40 ag lab
Mary Slow 35
Sarah 12; William 10; Elizabeth 5; Mary 2
All born in Hunts
No joy at with the Savages I'm afraid.
Hang on a mo, trouble with the CDrom. I'll have to reboot.
David
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I can't get excited about that 1837 entry. It's in the wrong area, doesn't tie up with her birthplace and age in various censuses, and I forgot to mention, her age was 19 on marriage in 1855 which would put her birth as mid 1835 to mid 1836. And I can't see any point in her lying over a year or two - either she was 21 and didn't need parental consent or she was under 21.
I think your best hope lies with the 1851 census - if no-one has the microfiche for Alconbury Weston and you get no replies on this thread try Hunts look up exchange
http://members.tripod.com/AztecRose/huntingdon/hun.html
There are a couple of people on there who would help, one specifically mentioning 1851 Alconbury Weston
I'm not surprised you couldn't find William Slow's christening on the IGI - Hunts is poorly represented. Apparently it's all down to the Bishop at Huntingdon refusing to allow the LDS to film the parish registers 50 years ago on theological grounds.
You can quickly find what parish records are on the IGI by going to
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle
Going into the IGI parish by parish via the Hugh Wallis site also has the benefit of avoiding the member submissions which tend to clog up a direct search.
Good luck
David
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Hi David,
Thanks for all your help. I'm glad I had something right, Williams parents :) William had 4 sisters and their baptisms are all listed on the LDS site, so it's just William's that is not. Ruth
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The christenings of his sisters are on one of these female only batches on the IGI. No-one knows why they're being done like this - not even the LDS staff! I think it's a sexist thing myself.
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Hi David,
Next time you are browsing the 1841 census for Alconbury Weston can you see if Samuel Palmer and his wife Elizabeth are on it? These are Mary Palmers parents and she was born in 1802 of the village so I am hoping they are still there, thanks, Ruth
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Hi Ruth
"Browsing" through the 1841 census is generally something I do when I''ve finished reading the telephone directory.
You might have a long wait. However if you're asking me to look up Alconbury Weston of course I will!
I used to have a pretty good success rate for census look ups but you've caused my average to drop pretty dramatically over the past few days.
Not a Palmer on sight I'm afraid - I would have been surprised if Mary's parents were still around, although it's always possible that her father had died and her mother remarried. But no other Palmers either, brothers of Mary possibly.
OK, 1841 browsing over, I'm off to browse The Economist in bed!
regards
David
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Hi David,
It was the Alconbury Weston bit of the census that I meant. Mind you, I take your point, they would have been in their 60s by then. I haven't found Samuel Palmer and Elizabeths marriage so I assume that she didn't live in Huntingdonshire and they got married where she lived. I'll see if I can find any siblings to tie them down more, thanks, Ruth
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Hi Ruth
Just checked the NBI (don't know why I didn't look at it last night!) and found the following
Burials Alconbury Weston
20 Apr 1825 Elizabeth Palmer age 52
18 Aug 1839 Ann Palmer age 76
23 Feb1829 Joseph Palmer age 24
13 Feb 1836 Mary Ann Palmer age 3
2 Jul 1832 Samuel Palmer age 63
Were there any other Palmers married in Alconbury?
Regards
David
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Hi David,
I've found 4 other marriages of Palmers in Alconbury Weston:
Ann Palmer/Thomas Wise 26 dec 1814
eliz Palmer/John Allen 30 Aug 1792
Sam Palmer widower - Ann Ringrow widow 1825
Will Palmer - Ann Wheatley 1832
I had a look at the Ramsey church records because there are loads of Palmers there but I couldn't find anything to tie in Samuels family.
I had a look on the LDS site and there is a marriage between a Samuel Palmer and Elizabeth Perry at All Saints, Cambridge 13 March 1791. It does state that both parties were born in Cambridge, so that doesn't look promising, Ruth
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Hi Ruth
I too had seen the 1891 Cambridge wedding - they had four subsequent children in the 1890's which I was hoping may have married in Alconbury, hence my question, but no such luck. Where does it say though that they were both from Cambridge? I couldn't see it - the other thing about all those IGI entries is that they are member submissions, so you should have the salt pot at your side ready to take a large pinch (having said that they do look reasonably authentic, apart from one)
The marriages - Sam appears to have remarried pretty rapidly after the death of Elizabeth in 1825, and I assume it was his second wife who died aged 76 in 1839.
I suspect that Ann and William, plus Joseph who died in 1829, could have been siblings of your Mary. It is probably significant that Elizabeth in 1825 was the only Palmer buried in AW in the period 1760-1825, so it doesn't seem as though Samuel was from the village, even though he may have married outside the county. I wouldn't rule out that Cambridge marriage!!! (think about the one you found for me on Saturday - Caxton, Cambs and Somersham Hunts married in Huntingdon)
Check out the Cambs FHS website http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html-
burial and baptism indexes - one of Samuel & Elizabeth's daughters was buried in 1802, but this is the only mention of the family - no more baptisms, but neither parent was buried (unless of course one or other of them died just prior to 1801 when the index starts). It will be interesting to see what the AW parish register says about the various children.
I've just browsed (you're not going to hear the end of that!) Alconbury, as opposed to AW, 1841 as I found William and Ann there in 1861, and found them, or what seems to be them, enumerated as Parmer. I'll continue browsing once I've finished the school run and bought a baguette, and post the result later.
regards
David
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Hi David,
I searched for the 1791 wedding of Elizabeth Perry and Samuel Palmer and you get the basic IGI record. If you click on Family on the right of that, that brings up a page where it says that Samuel was born about 1766 in Maddingley, Cambridge and Elizabeth was born about 1770 of All Saints, Cambridge. It only gives a film number for that record and not a batch number.
With regards to the Samuel Palmer, widower who married in 1825 at Alconbury Weston. I figured that it was the same Samuel Palmer who had married a Mary Brown in 1820 at Kimbolton, Ruth
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Hi Ruth
The Cambridge marriage on the IGI is a member submission, the quality of which range from extremely well researched to stick in any name you think of, deduct 25 years if its male and 21 if its female and put that down as the birth year (which is what has happened here). The only way to check out the accurancy of these member submissions is to consult the parish register. But it must still remain a possibility which in your position I would check out.
I think your assumption about Samuel from Kimbolton is a dangerous one! Unless you know that Mary had died, and even then it's a bit of a hike from Kimbolton to Alconbury. I prefer the local man, who had just been widowed. Again, reference to the parish register is essential. If the marriage was prior to Aug 1825 when Elizabeth died then my theory is blown apart!
Back to William, who married Ann Wheatley in 1832 in AW. In 1861 there is
RG9/973 Folio 50
William Palmer head marr 54 horsekeeper b Alconbury
Ann Palmer wife 50 b Godmanchester
George son 15; John son 12; Lucy dau 10; Eliza ? dau 7. All born Alconbury
in 1841 what may be be the same family
Alconbury HO107/450-01 folio 15B
Wilm Parmer 30 ag lab
Ann Parmer 30
Elizabeth 6; Mary Ann 4; Wilm 2; Emma 1
All born in Hunts
But the key pre 1837 is the parish register! On line/CDrom/transcribed information can provide pointers but ideally all should be checked. Here endeth tonights lesson! Back to the Economist!
Regards
David
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Hi David,
Thanks very much for all you have done for me ;D I'll get hubby to print me out a map of Huntingdonshire and then maybe I'll have an idea of how big this area is. It just goes to show that you should never assume anything without getting it checked out. thanks, Ruth
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No Savage families at Alconbury or Alconbury Weston in the 1851 census
Mike
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Ok, thanks for looking Mike :)
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this is the only jane savage of correct showing up in huntingdonshire in 1841-
living at piddley hill,somersham
robert savage 30yrs lab
mary 30yrs
elizabeth 5yrs
jane 3yrs
ann 2yrs
robert 14 months
SOURCE INFO-H0107-0449
FOLIO-1/13
PAGE-23
regards
alli
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Hi Alli,
Thanks for your help, Ruth :D