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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: denyse_aus on Sunday 22 December 13 04:59 GMT (UK)
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I'm seeking help in finding any record of a Jessey/Jessie Munro Scott Thomson/Thompson in Shrewsbury, Shropshire in & prior to 1833, please. The 1841 census states she was born in Scotland & her burial record states she was born in 1810.
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October 04, 1833 - Liverpool Mercury - Liverpool, Merseyside, England
"On Thursday, the 26th ult. at St. Mary's Church, Shrewsbury, James, eldest son of James Crewe, Esq. solicitor, of this town (Liverpool) to Miss Jessey M. S. Thomson, of the former place." (Shrewsbury)
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Whilst St Mary in Shrewsbury does come under the jurisdiction of Lichfield Diocese, it is a Peculiar, and the records are all in Shropshire. However, neither Lichfield or Shropshire has the Crewe-Thomson licence now.
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The 1841 census shows Jessey was born in Scotland, but I have no record of her prior to her marriage in Shrewsbury, Shropshire.
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Jessey, James & children lived in Everton, Liverpool where he was an attorney, as was his father. Between 1836 -1843 James, Jessey & all of their children excepting my ancestor died "of Decline" according to Liverpool Necropolis records. That could have been cholera or tuberculosis of which there were epidemics at that time.
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Have you seen the 4 records of the childrens baptisms on
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
all in St Augustines ,Everton,Liverpool
abode Prince Edwin Street
Everton
all have Jessey Munro Scott as mother
1834 Samuel Ward Scott Crewe - James is a Solicitor... in 1834 - not from 1836 as you thought
1836 Mary Jessey Crewe
1839 James Richard Crewe
1840 Jessey Munro Crewe
the marriage
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJCH-2YB
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are all the family in this particular grave ?...2648
Burial: 30 Aug 1836 Low Hill Cemetery, Everton, Lancashire, England
Mary Jessy Crewe - [Child] of Jas. Crewe & Jessy
Age: 5 mo.
Abode: Prince Edwin St.
Grave: 2648
Cause of Death: Decline
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Hi Garstonite,
Yes they are the burials. I don't know what happened to child Samuel Ward Crewe but the youngest, Jessey, survived & was my 2 xgt-grandmother.
Name: James Crewe
Christen: 27 Apr 1805 St Mary's, Nantwich, Cheshire. (Could Be 27 May)
Death: 25 Nov 1843 (the Mill Rd, Everton hospital which was earlier the Union Workhouse Infirmary, which later became a maternity hospital & which closed in about 1994? Death reg 20 651West Derby
Burial: 28 Nov 1843 Grave No 2648, Liverpool Necropolis. Reg # 24119. The cemetery is now a park named Grants Gardens, on the corner of Everton Road & West Derby Road at the top of Brunswick Road.
Occupation: Attorney With His Father 1831-1841
Death Cause: Decline
Father: James Crewe (~1780-1840)
Mother: Mary Shotton (1781-<1839)
Spouse: Jessie Munro Scott Thompson
Birth: abt 1810 Scotland according to 1841 census
Death: 14 Aug 1841 Prince Edwin Street, Everton, West Derby, Liverpool
Burial: 16 Aug 1841 Liverpool Necropolis, Grave No 2648. Reg # 20320
Marriage: 26 Sep 1833 St. Mary, Shrewsbury, Shropshire (by licence) St Mary's is in the diocese of Lichfield. However, neither Lichfield or Shropshire has the Crewe-Thomson licence now.
Children: Samuel Ward (1834-) Mary Jessey (1836-1836) James Richard (1838-1839)
Jessey Munro (1839-1938) she was my ancestor.
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I live about 7 miles from the Necropolis and Prince Edwin Street...
do you know whether Jessey had a brother in Liverpool named Walter Scott Thomson ??
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OK ... Forget Walter ...just researched - not a family member
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I know you have this and may have solved it all by now...I also have Thomson / Shropshire ties but from a different era not tied to yours...
Parents are down as James Crewe & Jessey Munro Scott. Might there have been a previous marriage to a Thomson?
Adding...ah, I see an interesting twist in the story...that her father was a Munroe...who left her with a Ward family...I imagine the name of the child Samuel Ward recognizes the man who raised her...and Samuel's wife was a great aunt of Jessie's husband James Crewe...?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=681294.0
You appear to have a great deal of threads on this same topic, I think you should link them together, or let people know where you are in your searches...
which by this last reply on that thread sounds resolved
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=681294.msg5272033#msg5272033
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Hello you people. I don't know how long this request has been up there but I know all about the early life of Jessey Munro Scott Thomson of Shrewsbury. In fact she figures in a talk I am giving for the Scottish Historical Society in Edinburgh at their 2025 conference.
Jessy was the illegitimate daughter of Sir Thomas Munro, and Jessy McQuorcadel of 423 Lawnmarket Edinburgh. Born 1809, she was taken away by agreement between both her parents to be fostered by Samuel Ward. I have the whole story of the embarrassment surrounding her birth. She had an annuity from Sir Thomas of £100 a year, was specifically catered for in his will and was, I think, well treated, although other historians disagree.
It is really lovely to hear your part of her story, some of which I didn't know.
Best wishes to all
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Welcome to Rootschat, Shankara...
I had posted above with a couple of links to other posts by denyse_aus (there might be more on the same topic) one of which contains information on Samuel Ward, etc. Someone writing a book had posted similar info to yours already...Ashanakan...or was that you was well?
I've let denyse_aus know by personal message that you posted something, in case she wants to reply this time.
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Hi Shankara
Lovely to hear from you and I wish you well with your upcoming talk to the Scottish History Society. I am a direct descendant of Jessy Munro Scott Thomson/Crewe (living in Australia) and would be honoured if you would be willing to provide me with the information you are presenting to the Society on 29th of March. If the presentation is being live-streamed, you may be able to send me the link.
Best wishes
R.L.
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Thanks - yes ashanakan was my pretentious other signature.
Thanks for passing it on. I have just taken a photo of the only letter from Jessy in the collection. It sits by me on the desk as I write. It was to the Trustees of Sir Thomas Munro's estate. It is very tidy but I think that as the signature is in the same hand it is actually written by her. She would have been 24. The black rim to the paper is because it is announcing the death of her guardian. Amazing!
This is my transcription:
Holliwell [now Holywell] Terrace
Abbey Foregate
Shrewsbury
Oct 25th
I hope you will pardon the liberty I take in writing to inform you of the loss I sustained by the death of Captain Ward who always treated me with parently care and was to me a father. The widow of the late Capt Ward intends remaining at her present residence and I should like “with your permission” to continue with her. Accept my sincere thanks for the interest you have taken and the kindness you have [?] shewn to me and which I trust I shall always remember with heartfelt gratitude. With every sentiment of respect, Permit me to subscribe myself
Your obliged and grateful Servt
J.M. Thomson
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I have just found some more documents
1. An attestation by Charles Dallas dated 16th February 1828 that he was present in November 1819 when Sir Thomas Munro visited Capt and Mrs Ward in Shrewsbury and acknowledged Jessy as his daughter, afterwards sending her a present of a bible.
2. A short account by Richard Taylor (I think a lawyer) that he attended Jessy's and James's wedding on 26th September 1833 and that Mrs Ann Ward, her former foster Mother, was well.
3. An Indenture dated 23rd September 1833 between Jessy Thomson, James Crewe and the Munro trustees authorising the continuation of her annuity of £100 a year for life to her independently of her husband. I attach a picture of page 3 of this with the signatures and seals. Ann Ward signs as a witness. it confirms that the handwriting of the letter was Jessy's, but I think the date of that letter must be earlier than I said, possibly 1832. If the family would like it I could photograph the whole Indenture but it would be easier to transmit this by an email attachment rather than the reduced quality of the RootsChat attachment.
Can we exchange emails?
Best wishes
Shankara
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Hi Shankara
I recently sent you an email to twist.org - is that your email address?
Warm regards
R.L.
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RosscoL, now that you have posted enough times, you can reach Shankara a.k.a. denyse_aus & she can reach you by private message which is attached to her email...Just click on the little scroll under the avatar to the left of the person's post. If that person happens to be online it turns bright green & they may answer right way. You can post private info in that mode.
adding...Also:
!!! Please do not post an email address online as it will be found & spammed !!!
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Hi RosscoL
I am sorry I did not see your requests until now. Am I correct in understanding that you are a descendent of Jessy Munro Thomson?
I am writing a booking in which she figures, so it would be good to get in touch with you.
Moderators, can you help us make a connection?
Thanks and best wishes
Shankara
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Shankara: Please read my reply above in order to PM RosscoL. I usually do it myself, but since I just read through both pages again & know you hadn't...(or you'd have seen the connection on page one & the instructions above) I'll leave you to it. J.J.
Also, I'll link once again to the other post where you used your other Rootschat username
From my reply...with link to other post...which is also on previous page!
You appear to have a great deal of threads on this same topic, I think you should link them together, or let people know where you are in your searches...
which by this last reply on that thread sounds resolved
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=681294.msg5272033#msg5272033
Link to most recent post ending
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=681294.18