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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hertfordshire => Topic started by: D ap D on Tuesday 13 July 04 11:33 BST (UK)
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I have a copy of my 6x grandfathers will. He lived in Colney Hatch, Middx, but left an enormous amount of property in his will. I thought I'd list some key words from the will, with the hope that someone might recognise some of them. If anyone recognises any names, I can send you a bit more information. If anyone can give me a bit more info about the place names, I'd be most grateful.
- Rose Neale, Henry Neale
Ware & Thundridge, County of Hertford (especially a malting house)
Thomas Adams
Thomas Stratton
Coltsfoot Farm
Lowes Wood, Bulls Wood
Thomas Page
Datchworth (?) & Welwyn, Herts.
Thomas & Sarah Sheppard
Mary & Cornelius Buller (later governor of the Bank of England)
John Waite Esq the Younger
Rev William Money
John Scott
Henry Thornton
Robert Smith (Attorney at Law), Bowinghale
Stuart Gordon
William Cade Key
Robert Booth
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Hi D ap D,The following site will give you lot's of info about Herfordshire, and surrounding district. Good Luck, Dolly.www. hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk
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Thanks for the link Dolly. I've had a quick look, but will look at it properly this evening.
D
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I don't know if there is any connection but my paternal grandfather (ADAMS) married a RIDDLE whose father, Joseph RIDDLE was a bargeman/lighterman out of Ware, Hertfordshire. From what I can figure out so far, he was carrying malt
I know this is a long shot, but perhaps he was carrying it from the malting house you mention
Judy
BC Canada
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I should really have mentioned that the will was made in 1808 and proved 8th July 1815. Its going back 6 generations from me, so its probably a bit before your pat. grandfathers time.
However, I'll dig out the Adams extracts and send them on. Adams was the name of my 6x gfs paternal grandfather. If you can work that one out.
D
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I have a copy of my 6x grandfathers will. He lived in Colney Hatch, Middx, but left an enormous amount of property in his will. I thought I'd list some key words from the will, with the hope that someone might recognise some of them. If anyone recognises any names, I can send you a bit more information. If anyone can give me a bit more info about the place names, I'd be most grateful.
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Rev William Money
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Do you have more information on this William Money?
Kindest regards
Ronnie
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Hi ronnie,
yes I do, but not a great deal, as he only married into the family. I'll dig out what I can find at the weekend and let you know.
D
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Henry Thornton and John Scott were two of the owners of the bank of Pole, Down, Thornton, Free and Scott (see Royal Bank of Scotland archives), where Pole was my 4th great grandfather Sir Peter Pole. He was married to Cornelius Buller's sister, Anna Guilhermina Buller, and another sister Felizarda Matilda Buller was married to Sir Peter's brother Charles Pole (another Governor of the Bank of England). For more information about Henry Thornton, read "Marianna Thornton" by EM Forster.
Bull's Land farm was owned by another of my ancestors, Richard Taylor (but thats all I know about him).
would be most interested in contacting as I suspect there is much more in common between our ancestors! To contact, suggest you join http://www.genesconnected.co.uk/ and then Felizarda Buller
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forgot to mention that Rose Neale was married to Richard Down, one of the partners of the forementioned Pole, Down, Thornton, Free and Scott bankers, and her father was Henry Neale. They had at least three children, and Mary Down was married to Cornelius Buller!
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Hi Felizarda,
sent you a PM
D
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I have a copy of my 6x grandfathers will. He lived in Colney Hatch, Middx, but left an enormous amount of property in his will. I thought I'd list some key words from the will, with the hope that someone might recognise some of them. If anyone recognises any names, I can send you a bit more information. If anyone can give me a bit more info about the place names, I'd be most grateful.
- Rose Neale, Henry Neale
Ware & Thundridge, County of Hertford (especially a malting house)
Thomas Adams
Thomas Stratton
Coltsfoot Farm
Lowes Wood, Bulls Wood
Thomas Page
Datchworth (?) & Welwyn, Herts.
Thomas & Sarah Sheppard
Mary & Cornelius Buller (later governor of the Bank of England)
John Waite Esq the Younger
Rev William Money
John Scott
Henry Thornton
Robert Smith (Attorney at Law), Bowinghale
Stuart Gordon
William Cade Key
Robert Booth
My Great Great Great Grandfather was Thomas Adams, maltmaker from Ware, he had a grandson Thomas Adams that was killed in World War 1 but i think he also had a cousin or uncle Thomas Adams as all the Adams' from Ware seem to fit into my tree somewhere especially as they all seem to live near each other or in the same street and are mostly all maltmakers.
If you think this fits into your tree or want more information, i have alot of Adams names and dates that i can pm you.
Amy
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I too am descended from Richard Down through his son Henry and grandson William. If I remember correctly Rose Adams was the daughter of Thomas and grandaughter of Daniel Adams, a malster of Ware and she was a considerable heiress when she married at Bengeo old church (St Leonards). Her descendant (or grandaughter??) Rose Neale was another heiress when she married Richard Down around 1770. She lived at Halliwick Manor House Friern Barnet which the Cleeves owned for several generations. Henry Neale the elder, a banker, married a daughter of the Cleeve family. The Cleeve brother had no children and left the house etc to his sister's son Henry Neale the younger, another banker who had a daughter Rose. Henry went bankcrupt around the time Richard Down married his daughter and died soon after. Richard went on to buy back the house and to make another fortune. He and Rose had 20 (!) children. Rose was about 20 years his junior and although Richard lived into his eighties she outlived him.
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Hi there
You may be interested to know that Ware's main industry was maltmaking, so much so that it was the greatest producer of malt in the country at one time, paying the largest amount of tax. The malt would have been transported by barge into London. Some of my ancesters were bargemen and I have made an attempt to look into the malting industry in Ware in more detail but sadly there doesn't seem to be a great deal of info to find..
Thundridge is only a mile or so north of Ware and would have been on the main London to Cambridge road.
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You say Henry Neale married Mary Cleeve. Do you have any info about Henry, please?such as parents DoB?? Many thanks
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Hi,
Better late than never (in case you haven't found this out?!). Richard Down's daughter Rose married William Cade Key (c1772-1823) in 1809. They had two children:
- William Down Key (b 1812) who appears to have died unmarried in 1836
- Rose (b 1814) who married Barrett Edward Lampet in 1837
Hope it helps!
Sarah
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Hi
HALS has quite a bit on some of the names listed.
Coltsfoot . . . . . http://www.coltsfoot.com
http://streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=527026&y=217383&z=0&sv=sg36sb&st=2&pc=sg3+6sb&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf
Specifically, whose will was it?
Who was the brewer?
Ray