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Tracing Henry James COCHRANE Born abt 1822 unknown whereabouts, died 10 Mar 1885 and buried in Bairnsdale cemetry in Victoria.
I have been able to find any records on his wife / partner Mary WATSON, listed as the mother of their eldest son John COCHRANE ( B. 1851 - D. 1927 Bairnsdale ) per his death record.
They had a second son Robert COCHRANE (B. 1853 - D. 1953 Bairnsdale ) who married, and is buried with my great grand aunt Elizabeth RICHARDSON ( B. 1861 Alston Cumberland England - D. 1918 East Bairnsdale ). Robert and his family moved to Richmond in Melbourne, around the WW1 years, like many rural families did, when times got tough.
Keen to find out and confirm where the Cochrane boys were born or lived, and obviously any info whatsoever re Mary Cochrane nee Watson.
Many Thanks
KJ "Mixo" Sydenham
via Warragul Victoria
Son of Annette Rae Richardson
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It appears Henry James died in 1884 not 1885. Not unusual to find errors on headstones.
Perhaps there may be more information about him, his wife and chn on his death cert which you can purchase online [$20] and immediately download.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
Info on Victorian Certificates
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
COCHRANE Henry James
Parents unknown
At Bairnsdale 63 years 1884 Reg#69
Bairnsdale Advertiser and Tambo and Omeo Chronicle 11 Mar 1884
Death.
COCHRANE At Eastwood, Bairnsdale, on the 10th March, Henry James Cochrane, beloved father of Robert and John Cochrane, aged 63.
Beechworth and Ovens papers please copy.
Cheers
Cando
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Information on death certificates is not always reliable. This marriage information would have been given by Robert himself. It would appear he was born in England.
Marriage
COCHRANE Robert born Sunderland
RICHARDSON Elizabeth born Northumberland.
1881 Reg#1633
Cando
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Bairnsdale Advertiser and Tambo and Omeo Chronicle 27 Jul 1894
NEW INSOLVENTS
Robert Cochrane and John Cochrane, trading sas R and J Cochrane, of Broadlands, farmers. (Complete schedule.) Debts .£7164 6s 6d: assets £3498 19s 3d ; deficiency, £3655 7s 3d.
Bairnsdale Advertiser and Tambo and Omeo Chronicle Wed 20 Mar 1918
Family notices
DEATH.
COCHRANE.-On the 15th inst., at East Bairnsdale, the beloved wife of Robert Cochrane, aged 58 years; mother of Rob., Jack, Ethel, Annie, Ellie, Doris and Sis.
The Argus 5 Jul 1933
Mr Robert Cochrane died at Bairnsdale at the age of 80 years. He arrived in Gippsland from Beechworth more than 50 years ago, and for many years was associated with his brother the late Mr John Cochrane as bridge contractors. Many important bridges in Gippsland were constructed by them. The last of these was the bridge over the Avon River at Stratford. Mr Robert Cochrane was for many years a member of the Bairnsdale Shire Council and was president during the year 1893/4 He leaves two sons and four daughters.
Cando
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Robert and his family moved to Richmond in Melbourne, around the WW1 years, like many rural families did, when times got tough.
Not according to the electoral rolls.
Australian Electoral Roll
1903
COCHRANE Elizabeth East Bairnsdale HD
COCHRANE John East Bairnsdale Contractor
COCHRANE Robert East Bairnsdale Contractor
1914
COCHRANE Elizabeth East Bairnsdale HD
COCHRANE John East Bairnsdale Carpenter
COCHRANE John Emerson East Bairnsdale Nurseryman
COCHRANE Robert East Bairnsdale Contractor
1924
COCHRANE Doris East Bairnsdale Clerk
COCHRANE Ellie Sarah East Bairnsdale HD
COCHRANE Ethel Hannah East Bairnsdale Dressmaker
COCHRANE John East Bairnsdale Carpenter
COCHRANE Robert East Bairnsdale Contractor
1931
COCHRANE Doris 29 Mitchell Street Bairnsdale Clerk
COCHRANE Ellie Sarah 29 Mitchell Street Bairnsdale HD
COCHRANE Ethel Hannah 29 Mitchell Street Bairnsdale Saleswoman
COCHRANE Robert 29 Mitchell Street Bairnsdale Contractor
Cando
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Not finding very much about the family in my resources. I suggest you have a browse through the digitised newspapers on TROVE.
COCHRANE Robert
Gazetted 10 Jun 1887 Bairnsdale
Victorian Government Gazette Page#1826
Comment - Shareholders Sons of Freedom Quartz Mining Company
Have you contacted any of the family history groups in Gippsland?
Cando
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Elizabeth's probate file is digitised on PROV. Be patient when downloading the file. Can be very slow at times.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
You will also see that John and Robert have files as well but you will either have to order and view their files in PROV reading rooms or order and pay to have the files copied if you are unable to visit.
Cando
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Death Notice for Henry James COCHRANE suggests that he is connected with Beechworth also.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/84702259
Judith.
Sorry I see Cando posted this info earlier. :-[
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Hi,
1888 Victorian Post Office Directory (Wise)
Cochrane John & Robt, hopgrowers, Bairnsdale.
1904 Victorian Post Office Directory (Wise)
BAIRNSDALE
Cochrane John, contractor
Cochrane Robert, contractor.
1914 Victorian Post Office Directory (Wise)
BAIRNSDALE
Cochrane John, builder
Cochrane Robert, builder
Victorian Government Gazette 9th March 1888, p 728
Appointed Magistrate 21st February 1888.
Eastern Bailiwick
ROBERT COCHRANE, Esq., Bairnsdale.
Gerry
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Cando feedback
Thanks so much to you all for your time and help - you are stars
Mixo
via Warragul
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Baptism for Robert (FreeReg):
St Paul, North Sunderland, Northumberland
RegisterNumber 623,
BaptismDate 07 Aug 1853
Robert
Father: Henry James COCHRANE, Labourer
Mother: Elizabeth Caroline
Abode Fleetham
Birth Reg (FreeBMD)
Jun qr 1853
Robert COCHRANE, reg Belford Vol10b, p252
(Belford registrarion district includes North Sunderland)
Judith
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Hi,
Basic information from Familysearch
John COCKRANE
Christening: 1851
EMBLETON, NORTHUMBERLAND, ENGLAND
F: Henry James COCKRANE
M: Elizabeth
ADDED
Free BMD
John Cochrane
March Qtr, 1851
District Alnwick
Vol: 25
Page: 254
(Alnwick is a District in Northumberland)
Gerry
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Here's Henry and Elizabeth in 1851. Wish the enumerator had had better quality ink. ::)
At Embleton - indexed as Cockram but the image shows COCHRANE
Henry I Cockram, 29, coal miner, b Northumberland, Coldrife? (Image shows the initial as 'J' rather than 'I')
Elizabeth Cockram, 38 (I think the image is actually 30), b Northumberland, Shank? Hall
John Cockram 2 Mo, b Embleton
Judith
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Probably Henry in 1841 (even worse ink :o :D)
At Coldrife, township of Newham, Bamburgh, registration district Belford.
all born Northumberland - remembering that ages were rounded in 1841
Robert Cochrane 60, farmer
Jane Cochrane 45
Thos Cochrane 20, ag lab
Robt Cochrane 20, coal miner
Henry Cochrane 15, ag lab (I think)
Hugh Cochrane 15
Alice Cochrane 15
George Cochrane 12
Percival Cochrane 9
This is an odd address as there is a very small hamlet Coldrife, Northumberland, on Googlemap but it is 30 miles from Bamburgh and not in the Belford registration district, nor would I have thought that it would be on the same census page as residences in Bamburgh. As the "Coldrife" word is written in the address column perhaps it is just the name of the farm.
Judith
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Some baptisms for Henry's siblings - no baptism recorded for Henry on this site (FreeReg) 8).
All at St Aidan, Bamburgh, with parents Robert and Jane - dates are baptisms not births
05 Nov 1815 John COCHRANE, father's occupation: collier, abode: Newham Barns
07 Jul 1817 Robert COCHRANE, father's occupation: farmer, abode: Newham Barns
26 Oct 1817 Thomas COCHRANE, father's occupation: farmer, abode: Newham Barns
18 Apr 1819 Robert COCHRANE, father's occupation: farmer, abode: Newham Barns
23 Dec 1823 Hugh Taylor COCKRAINE father's occupation: farmer, abode: Coldrife
15 Jan 1826 Alice Tully COCKRANE, father's occupation: farmer, abode: Coldrife
Judith
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Marriage for Henry's parents:
St Aidan, Bamburgh
16 Jul 1814
Robert COCHRANE
Jane TULLY
Witnesses: Mary POTTS, Alice TULLY, Thomas WILSON
Married by licence.
Judith
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So are we now seeking a death reg for Elizabeth COCHRANE nee ? WATSON in either the UK or Aus? The mother's name on the sons' deaths certificates is incorrect.
Cando
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So are we now seeking a death reg for Elizabeth COCHRANE nee ? WATSON in either the UK or Aus? The mother's name on the sons' deaths certificates is incorrect.
Cando
Thanks for everyones input. Seems its Elizabeth Cochrane nee ? to find, assumedly born UK and died Aus.
Cheers
Mixo
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This is just a possible which I am putting up just in case. :-\
1851 at Seahouses, North Sunderland, Northumberland
William Watson 59, ag lab
Mary Watson 22, dau, housekeeper, b North Sunderland
I cannot see a death for Elizabeth Caroline COCHRANE at all. It 's possible that Henry had a relationship with a Mary WATSON (not necessarily this Mary WATSON). Perhaps she moved in with him to look after the children :-\. It seems as though the children thought that Mary WATSON was their mother which would imply that they were quite young when Mary came on the scene, not to have known who their mother was.
We need a death for Elizabeth, a death for Mary. Do we have immigration for Henry and his sons?
Cheers, Judith :D
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I wonder who are the parents on this certificate....posted earlier on the thread. The info given by Robert himself and not a third party.
Marriage
COCHRANE Robert born Sunderland
RICHARDSON Elizabeth born Northumberland.
1881 Reg#1633
Cando
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Henry James Cochrane was baptised at Bamburgh on 2 December 1821.
I am researching the family of his brother George and would like to make contact with the originator of this thread. How do I do that?
Oscella
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Hi Oscella and welcome to rootschat.
Mixo was logged in today so hopefully will see your post.
You need to make 3 posts before you can send a PM. The posts don't have to be long.
Cheers, Judith
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Dear Judith
Thank you...
Henry and four of his brothers came to Australia - it seems that only their sister Alice survived and remained in England. Family lore was that someone went to Canada and I had thought it was Henry - what a surprise to find him in Australia!
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Just one more post, Oscella.........
Family lore is always interesting. Sometimes it's true, sometimes just a grain of truth and sometimes it's just not right! Good for a starting point though.
Judith
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Dear Judith
Well as a sideline I wasn't going to really put in a big effort chasing him so quite delighted to find him just in time for my write up of the family
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Was there a Percival Cochrane in either of the trees here? I have a Percival Cochrane, born 1835 and died in a mining accident in 1890 in Mitta Mitta.
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Yes I believe the Percival who died in Mitta Mitta in 1890 was a brother of Henry James and my great grandfather George. But the informant on his death certificate was the local policeman and did not known anything about where he was born or his parentage, or even if he was married. The paper said he left a wife and four children; but I have not found a marriage, and births of only two children, both certificates state he and the mother were not married. One says he came from Northumberland and the other that he came from Newcastle (England).
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Hi Oscella,
I have that he had 2 children with Anastasia Murphy. She had children with Michael Kelly (who she married in 1866), then John Dow, then Percival Cochrane.
The children with Percival (that I have) were:
Sarah Jane b1879
Elizabeth b1885
The other children may have been Anastasia's surviving children, although I can find only 1 - Catherine Dow b 1873.
Anastasia was the sister of my GG grandfather. She died in 1939.
So the Cochrane boys parents were Robert & Jane?
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Yes, the two children were Sarah and Elizabeth. I was never able to track Anastasia or the two girls so it is great to find a contact!
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I forgot to say yes, Percival, Henry and George's parents were Robert Cochrane and Jane Tully.
Their brothers Hugh and Thomas also came to Australia. Brother John was never heard of again so may have died as a baby and brother Robert was killed in a mining accident in Northumberland. Alice married in Northumberland and died in Durham.
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I can give you a little more info then on Anastasia:
(sorry if this is threadjacking?)
Born 5 Apr 1847, Petersham NSW to James Murphy and Catherine Callaghan. Died 1939 Campbellfield, Vic.
Had a child that died at 4 months, James Dow/Kelly. John Dow is listed as father at birth but at death the child is listed as James Kelly (prob as they were not married). That child is apparently buried at the side of a road.
Not much info on James Murphy, but I suspect he was a convict off the Lonach 1825. We cannot find a marriage between him and Catherine Callaghan but they had 8 children:
John b 1832 (my GGgf) d 1892
Catherine b1835 d 1836
Catherine b1836 d1906
Phillip b1837 d 1877
Bridget b1841 d 1920
Anastasia sometimes spelled as Anistasia and Anistatia
Michael b1852 d1911
James b1853 d1859
James seems to disappear around 1853 (no death found) and Catherine marries John Walter 5 Oct 1853. Catherine died 29 July 1877 in Omeo.
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Thanks. That might explain a lot....Did she marry again (or have any other relationships)?
I don't suppose you know what happened to Elizabeth and Sarah? They are the Cochrane line....
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This looks to be the marriage for Sarah -
Family Name:COCHRANE
Given Name(s):Sarah Jane
Event:MARRIAGE
Spouse's Family Name:GOUGH
Spouse's Given Name(s):Edwd Hy
Birth Place:BRUTHEN
Registration Year:1911
Registration Number:6733
Bruthen is in the right area.
Can't find anything definitive for Elizabeth.
Anastasia died as Cochrane so I don't think she married again. I am trying to download her death cert, but the VIC BDM system must be having problems as it is not letting me.
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Thanks - are you saying that she was born in Bruthen? Her birth certificate says Omeo but I guess she made an error when she filled out the details?
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This looks like Elizabeth's death
1961 #5234 Victoria
Elizabeth COCHRANE, 76
Died at Mckinnon, Victoria
Mother's Name: Anastasia
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
and Sarah:
1954, #100606, Victoria
Sarah Jane GOUGH, 75
Died at Mcei, Victoria
Father's Name: Perci Cochrane
Mother's Name: Anastasia Murphy
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
No idea what "Mcei" is short for - will add if I can find it. :-\
Judith
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The 1954 Electoral roll has Elizabeth COCHRANE and Sarah Jane GOUGH living at 50 Exhibition St, McKinnon. Perhaps "Mcei" is a bad transcription for McKinnon??.
You can see the house on Googlemap.
Judith
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Thanks - are you saying that she was born in Bruthen? Her birth certificate says Omeo but I guess she made an error when she filled out the details?
I took that as where he was born? I also have she was born in Omeo. Bruthen is not far from Omeo, Between Bairnsdale and Omeo.
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Thanks both for the extra information. Judith, do you have a Cochrane connection?
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No, Oscella, I'm not related to the Cochranes at all. As with many of the R'chat regulars I just enjoy the research and piecing together the pointers to the lives of our forebears. My husband is of the opinion that it's a bit sad ::)
It's a good hobby and I enjoy it immensely ;D
Judith
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I was finally able to download Anastasia's death cert.
It says she died as a Cochrane, that she married Percival when 21 in Omeo, and that there was another child Percival between Sarah & Elizabeth who was deceased when she died.
I can't find a birth or death for him, nor for the "marriage".
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Does it say who was the informant? It sounds really sanitised for the purpose of history..
Does it mention the children with her other two partners?
She certainly did not marry Percival before Sarah's birth in 1879. The birth certificate has an unusual annotation under the father's name "Entered by request" very much confirming the unmarried status - which is also clearly stated.
Another child - that would fit. Maybe he died and the paperwork never got done.
I am wondering if the fact that Henry James Cochranes wife was reported as Mary Watson was a complete error - Perhaps Elizabeth Cochrane died in Northumberland and Henry decided to join his brothers in Australia. That would explain why the family suddenly stopped at two and there seems to have been no wife in Australia. And the information got lost in the mists of time. Once again, who was the informant on the certificate at John's death?
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I wouldn't put much stead in the marriage to old Percy either. I can't find what happened to her "first husband" Michael Kelly - there are too many to know which one it is. But if he didn't die, then she would have still been married to him.
She died at 50 Exhibition st, so must have been living with her daughters. The informant is listed as an authorised agent. The information must have been given by the daughters so maybe they thought she had married Percy or maybe they did just sanitise her history?
It lists her children as the three with Percy and Catherine that she had with Jack Dow in 1873.
She and the 2 daughters are buried at New Cheltenham Cemetery. I have paid to join their site so that I can see the listing and whether they have headstones, photos or inscriptions. I am waiting for them to send me my log in details. If I find anything from them, I'll let you know!
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I was finally able to download Anastasia's death cert.
It says she died as a Cochrane, that she married Percival when 21 in Omeo, and that there was another child Percival between Sarah & Elizabeth who was deceased when she died.
I can't find a birth or death for him, nor for the "marriage".
Hi all,
Can't get over the input from everyone. After a couple of days going a little "Cochrane Crazy", have just about confirmed all who came to Australia. I found a Percival (Junior) you mention here, Death at Orbost Age 56 # 18684 Birth abt 1881, Father Percival Cochrane, Mother Anastasia Murphy.
Two siblings with details Sarah Jane born Omeo 1879, & Elizabeth born 1885 Mittagong, plus two with unconfirmed details, ( per a census only ) Ellen 1909 residence Bruthen, Gippsland, Victoria, Australia : Occupation School Teacher, and Catherine 1909 Bruthen, Gippsland, Victoria.
Will be posting a link to my ancestry.com Cochrane updates in the next day or so, and will be more than pleased for anyone to utilise any info and newspaper scans.
Thanks to everyone again - so pleased have filled many Cochrane gaps so far.
Mixo
( very smokey ) West Gippsland Victoria
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Can I contact you offline, Mixo? I have just about written up a history of this Cochrane family though I need to update some recent additions(!)
Interested in photos if you have any of Henry and his sons or any other info...
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Can I contact you offline, Mixo? I have just about written up a history of this Cochrane family though I need to update some recent additions(!)
Interested in photos if you have any of Henry and his sons or any other info...
Hi Oscella,
Your writeup on these Cochranes sounds great. I am sorry but I don't have any personal photos, however am looking into some gold mining share records and newspaper cuttings, that may be of interest.
My interest in the Cochranes has recently been rekindled, as I am writing a brief overview of a number of family relations, ( mainly Richardson, Calvert, Coulson, Liddell, Hewitson, Lee, Broadwood, Allison, and Vipond ), who were lead ore miners from around Alston and Allendale in the UK, came here for the Victorian gold rush, and for some unknown reason, most settled near Bairnsdale in East Gippsland.
This is where one of many great grand aunts Elizabeth Richardson spent a lot of her married life with Robert Cochrane, so followed my hunch some of the other Cochranes may have miners too.
It appears Hugh Talyor Cochrane had some success on the goldfields close to his home here at Linton in 1860, per attached, Percival died in a mining accident, and still investigating a few others.
Also would really appreciate if you have any records on Robert Cochrane born Bamburgh 1821. He seems to have become untracable after UK census of 1841. Their father Robert senior died about 1849, and four other brothers stayed together by 1851 census, but have lost track of him after that time frame.
Regards
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Mixo:
Here are the details you asked for:
Robert Cochrane baptised Bamburgh 18 April 1819
Possibly married/partnered Dorothy and had a son Robert born Nov 1843. No further details known.
1841 Census living at Coldrife and recorded as a coalminer
1843 whilst working at PastureHill colliery near North Sunderland he was drowned on 7 October when water flooded into the pit. (There is a report in the Times of London on 19 October)
Robert senior died 20 Dec 1848 aged seventy.
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Hi,
Thanks for everyones input on this lookup.
Think I have a grasp on this Cochrane clan, and am confident i have fairly accurate details on all bar Thomas, on my ancestry.com site, at
http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/42805013/family?cfpid=28063784704&selnode=1
If you are interested in reviewing it and have troubles accessing the site, please email me a request to be a guest at (*)
many thanks again
Mixo via Warragul Vic
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I wouldn't put much stead in the marriage to old Percy either. I can't find what happened to her "first husband" Michael Kelly - there are too many to know which one it is. But if he didn't die, then she would have still been married to him.
She died at 50 Exhibition st, so must have been living with her daughters. The informant is listed as an authorised agent. The information must have been given by the daughters so maybe they thought she had married Percy or maybe they did just sanitise her history?
It lists her children as the three with Percy and Catherine that she had with Jack Dow in 1873.
She and the 2 daughters are buried at New Cheltenham Cemetery. I have paid to join their site so that I can see the listing and whether they have headstones, photos or inscriptions. I am waiting for them to send me my log in details. If I find anything from them, I'll let you know!
Mosher this is an old thread now but Mixo has just queried something and I cannot see the answer here. Hoping you might know.
The electoral roll for 1909 for Bruthen shows the following Cochranes:
Anastasia, home duties
Catherine, home duties
Elizabeth, housemaid
Ellen, schoolteacher
Percy, labourer
Sarah, waitress
Do you have any idea who Ellen Cochrane is? Could she be Anastasia's daughter from her earlier relationships? Or Percival's wife?
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James Murphy, Anastasia's father arrived in Australia on the convict ship Andromeda II in 1830, aged 14. He was an errand boy tried in Limerick for pick pocketing, and sentenced to 7 years deportation On his arrival he was sent to Carter's Barracks, and received his ticket of freedom on 13th March, 1838. James married Catherine, who was also know with the surnames, Kelleher, sometimes spelled Callaghan, Higgins and Sheehan (Shean). Catherine arrived in Australia aged 2 on the convict ship Canada IV with her mother Mary Kelleher (Sullivan) from Cork. Anastasia was my great, great grandfather Philip's sister.
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Hi attunga11, do you have any reason why you think that James is "our" James? Most researchers (including me) have narrowed it down to one of the 2 James Murphys on the Lonach arriving 1825 and getting a TOL in 1830, COF in 1831.
His son John was my GG Grandfather.
Do you have any more on Anastasia?
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Hi mosher, I found the information on ancestry.com. Twelve different people had posted this James Murphy, born in Cork in 1816, and have Catherine Sheehan as his wife, with her also marrying a Phillip Smith and John Walter, the information also matched their children's names to my list. You might already know what I do about Anastasia (1847-1939) she was married to John Duncan Gow, children Catherine (1873-1951) and James (1875-1875), then married Michael Kelly. She then had a relationship with Percival Cochrane, who died in a mining accident in Mitta Mitta in 1890, they had three children Sarah (1879-1954), Percival (1881-1937) and Elizabeth (1885-1961), she is stated as being Percival's widow when he died.
I have found some interesting stories in a book Pioneers of the Omeo Plains, by Jane Vince Pendergast, which mentions John and Michael Murphy and their uncles Thomas and Michael Sheehan (Sheean) and John Higgins, Catherine's brothers. The Sheehan's father died when he was only 35 and their mother Matilda married James Pendergast.
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I wouldn't put too much faith in Ancestry trees. They are full of errors (even my own - I stopped updating it ages ago as I use a non-online program now but so many people were copying it I made it private). The problem is that there were so many convicts called James Murphy and there is really no definitive way of knowing which one is the right one. Unless you have one, I have never found a marriage for him and Catherine which would give more details, nor is there a death record for him. He is a man of mystery!
By examining other factors such as proximity to each other etc the one of the Lonach seems most likely, but again we will probably never know for sure.
I am happy to email you what I have if you PM me your email address. To be honest it's been a while since I looked at it all so there may be more available now.