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my grandparents William Davies and Ellen Rooney,they had four children
john Davies born 1921 deceased
lily Davies born 1920 deceased
sally Davies born 1922 deceased
James Davies deceased, I cant find apart from one born in 1907 mothers name Rooney in Liverpool, this marriage was 1904,seems a long time form one boy being born 1907 then next child 1920,anyone got any ideas,thanks
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You need to find the family in 1911,that will tell you how long they'd been married and how many children they'd had up to then. It may be that she had many miscarriages in the years where there appeared to be big gaps.Or perhaps dad went away to war....many men did at that time :D
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Would this be your grandmother ?
Ellen Davies
Birth Year:
abt 1880
Age:
67
Death Year:
abt 1947
Burial Date:
15 Feb 1947
Parish:
Ford Cemetery
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that is correct jan
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Hi,
I just checked FreeBMD and the children you mention were registered in the W.Derby District.. I then serched for others registered in that district, surname Davies and mother's MN Rooney. This brought up Margaret Jun 1912, Charles Mar.1915 and Isabella Dec 1924. Margaret and Isabella appear to have died as infants, but I did not see a likely death for Charles.
Mother's maiden named was not given before 1911, so there is no way of finding others born before that time.. You still need to find the 1911 Census for any others born 1904-1911. I can't do that as I don't have a sub.at the moment. The 1911 Census will also give you the number of children born to the parents and the number that have died., so you will then know if there are any others left to find.
hth and Merry Christmas :)
Carmela
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Hi
Plenty Ellen and william Davies in the Liverpool area in 1911
do you have any birth years for ellen or William
regards
westmorland
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Just been trying to get onto ANC..try to have a look but it having trouble loading... :(
Chris
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my sister thinks they married 1904 Ellen was 23 and William was 29
that means Ellen was born 1881 and William was born 1875
if three children was born 1920s and James born in 1907 that means she was in her 40s for the last three kids
such a long gap between james in 1907 and second child in 1920
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Not uncommon to have children in your forties, birth control wasn't top priority,
my father was born a long time after his brothers and sister,
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such a long gap between james in 1907 and second child in 1920
Have you looked at FreeBMD? There are at least 6 Davies births with mother's maiden name Rooney in West Derby around the relevant time:
A girl in 1912
A boy in 1915
followed by Lilian (Lily) in 1920, John in 1921 and Sarah (Sally) in 1923 - these three you know about.
There's also another girl in 1924.
I can't post names of those we do not know are deceased but they are easily found on FreeBMD.
NB obviously it's possible there was another Davies/Rooney couple in the district responsible for some of these births.
As had been said, you need to look up the 1911 census to find earlier children. 1911 lookups (other than the free index) are not permitted on Rootschat.
Edit - sorry, I see Carmela has already referred you to the FreeBMD entries (at reply #4).
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Managed to get into ANC..try at last
There is a Davies family on the 1911 in Bootle with children Arthur 13, William 7, Thomas 5, James 4 and Mary Ann 1 parents are William and Ellen
Chris
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Managed to get into ANC..try at last
There is a Davies family on the 1911 in Bootle with children Arthur 13, William 7, Thomas 5, James 4 and Mary Ann 1 parents are William and Ellen
Chris
Mmmm possible not them as they state they have been married for 10 years :(
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There is a marriage at St Nicholas, Liverpool
24 October 1904
William Davies aged 29 batchelor, labourer, father Thomas Davies deceased
Ellen Rooney aged 23 Spinster father Peter Rooney deceased
Both of Slade Street
Witnesses William Link? And Mary Jane Handley
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that is correct jan
Plaza1657
Did you see my Personal message to you ?
There was a Who Do You Think You Are programme, that the celeb found out that his mother was one of 6 children , but the 2 oldest had died as babies , and none of the other siblings knew that they had existed ! ...........
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Managed to get into ANC..try at last
There is a Davies family on the 1911 in Bootle with children Arthur 13, William 7, Thomas 5, James 4 and Mary Ann 1 parents are William and Ellen
Chris
Been having another look at this family. They say they have been married 10 years but son Arthur Davies is 13 so must have been born before they married. I had a look for Ellen Rooney on the 1901 census
RG13/3459
Susan Rooney 49 Widow
Edward Rooney 22
Nellie Rooney 21
Mary Rooney 14
Arthur Rooney 2
Nellie is sometimes used as a name for Ellen
As Susan had been a widow for more than 10 years I am wondering if Arthur was Ellen's child and is the same Arthur that appears on the 1911 census as Arthur Davies
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thanks chrissieL
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That's looking good Chrissie,I did wonder about that situation last night,but it was too late to take it any further then and had planned to have a look myself this morning too ;)
Carol
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Hi
by using the birth dates there are two pos in 1911
one is a william N ???
the other as been wed for ten years and has 5 kids
and are living in Bootle
regards
westmorland
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Hi
Oldest son Arthur b 1898 liverpool
regards
westmorland