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Title: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 16 December 13 16:54 GMT (UK)
I am very interested in getting a dating of this photo. If anyone would like to also do some restoration, that would be lovely as well. It's a photo of Jane, who was the wife of a wealthy timber merchant. She's dressed to "the nines" and although I can't really see all the details, I do see beading on her dress, the silver handle of what may be a parasol, and fine kid gloves. This extreme dress elevates this rather "plain Jane" to another level. She was born 1836 and died 1922.


Thank you,
Louise in California

Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: jim1 on Monday 16 December 13 17:26 GMT (UK)
I think the caption for this is, if you've got it flaunt it.
A heavily stylised 1880's outfit.
Her hat called a Toke was very popular during that decade.

jim
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: en2gen on Monday 16 December 13 17:35 GMT (UK)
Do you think Jane would be approaching age 50 then (being born in 1836/37)? She looks younger to me. I suppose all that "beady" stuff is attached to the dress. How heavy and uncomfortable this must have been. Give me a cashmere jumper and leggings any day. I would not have made a good Victorian woman!

Louise
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: madpat on Monday 16 December 13 19:06 GMT (UK)
I would have thought she was in her thirties perhaps forties but certainly not fifty!
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: en2gen on Monday 16 December 13 19:12 GMT (UK)
That's pretty much the age I had estimated as well; so if she was born in 1836 she would be age 30 in 1866 and age 44 in 1880. Does this help further fine tune the date of the photo?

Louise
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 16 December 13 19:17 GMT (UK)
I thought you might like to see where she took her afternoon tea...photos of Headingly Hall courtesy of Louise.

Carol
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 16 December 13 19:19 GMT (UK)
...and where she would have entertained....Beautiful  8)
Carol
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: terry h on Monday 16 December 13 20:16 GMT (UK)
Couple from me.....what an outfit, it's got everything 8) ;D ;D

Terry
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: en2gen on Monday 16 December 13 20:46 GMT (UK)
Oh lovely....thank you. Very nice and clear now. And that's exactly what I thought but you have started it so well. This outfit "has everything". Can you imagine going to the seaside (Scarborough) in a getup like this?!!!

Louise
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: saddles on Tuesday 17 December 13 05:05 GMT (UK)
Hi Loiuse.....One from me also and a fabulous photo I must say !.

Carolyn  :)
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: en2gen on Tuesday 17 December 13 05:12 GMT (UK)
So clear. Wonderful restoration and I love the photographer's mark...not sure I can read it; but I know it was taken in Scarborough. Great outfit for a walk in the sand, eh?
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 17 December 13 11:00 GMT (UK)
Can we see the back ?
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: en2gen on Tuesday 17 December 13 16:03 GMT (UK)
It may take me a few days to get a photo of the back; but I will certainly try. Can anyone make out the name of the photographer? I can't and perhaps I can research when they were in business.

LL
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 17 December 13 16:10 GMT (UK)
Hi Louise...Is it Sarony?

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=548948.0

Carol
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 17 December 13 16:22 GMT (UK)
I gave it a go for you in the original tone.
Carol
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 17 December 13 16:23 GMT (UK)
One with a different tone and added texture.
Carol
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: en2gen on Tuesday 17 December 13 16:42 GMT (UK)
Thank you Carol - Both lovely restorations!!

I guess my latest post related to the Sarony Studio in Scarborough (owned by Oliver Sarony) was a bit premature. Since he died in 1879 I thought that might better date the photo in question. However, on the following link to photographers of the Victorian and Edwardian period, I find two photos dated circa 1890's that have the exact style of studio name as mine:

http://vintagek2.com/heritage/cabi/uk/sarony.html

Back to square one! I don't think mine is that late, based on Jane's apparent age. But could still be after Oliver Sarony's death. There are numerous versions of the studio's signature out there. I'll keep searching.

LL
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 17 December 13 16:53 GMT (UK)
Take it from me this is 1880's.

jim
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 17 December 13 16:58 GMT (UK)
Jim...where's Grandad's Santa hat  :-\

Carol
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: Jayhen6 on Tuesday 17 December 13 17:21 GMT (UK)
Black CDV's were introduced from around 1879 onwards. If the 'gilt' edge of the card is 'square cut ' they were introduced about 1882. If the edge is 'bevelled gilt' (which it appears to be) they were introduced from around 1885. So you may have the earliest date based on the card as from 1885 onwards. :)

john
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: Alpesh on Wednesday 18 December 13 11:58 GMT (UK)
Hello !!  :)
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: jim1 on Wednesday 18 December 13 14:21 GMT (UK)
Wow !
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 18 December 13 14:26 GMT (UK)
Stunning  :o
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: en2gen on Wednesday 18 December 13 15:45 GMT (UK)
Goodness. That really is lovely! The details are certainly more visible and you did a fantastic job in color selection. Very appropriate for the time I would say.

Thank you!
Louise
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: Alpesh on Wednesday 18 December 13 15:50 GMT (UK)
Wellcome !!! :P
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: Timtoo on Monday 13 July 15 16:30 BST (UK)
Hi - I came across your post only today 13 July 2015 while searching the name Jane Oxley and her association with Headingley Hall and was amazed to see this photo plus an interior room photo! Could I be very forward and ask how you came by these photos?  The reason I am asking is that about 27 years ago we bought a small picture in Harrogate and on the back a small newspaper cutting was attached with the simple information that it had belonged to Samuel Ingham Esq. of Headingley Hall and that it was sold in 1923 at Leeds Exchange Auction Mart by Oliver, Appleton & Kitchen Auctioneers. All I have managed to find out is that Samuel Ingham died in 1909 and presumably the Estate/possessions were sold after his wife Jane died in 1922.  Any other information would be much appreciated.  Thanking you.  T
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: tommyfromri on Tuesday 14 July 15 04:05 BST (UK)
 A colour version from me.  I gave her pink roses symbolizing Grace and Gratitude, according to the meaning of flowers chart. http://www.sarahjanecovey.co.uk/flower-meanings  I wonder how many of these old photos we've seen have certain flowers and were placed there to indicate an occasion .      , Tommy
Title: Re: Posting for Louise ~ Date and Restore Please ~ Jane Oxley Ingham
Post by: en2gen on Tuesday 14 July 15 04:32 BST (UK)
Thanks, Tommy. Didn't mean to open this photo back up for restoration but you given us something more to think about. As someone said further back during the original post, this dress has everything! So, now we can also reflect on the flowers!!