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Title: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: moors on Saturday 14 December 13 15:21 GMT (UK)
I have Alice Rebecca Cross (B) 6/10/1881 (internet site says (B) 7/10/1879 (C) 15/10/1882) Shipdham Norfolk, also have (B) Dec. Q. 1881 Mitford 4b 255.
She (M) Samuel John Bates 1903 Mile End Mdx. 1c 682.
Her Father Robert Cross her Mother Mary Ann Self they were (M) 1865 Dec. Q. Mitford 4b 783.

Would like to see them on the 1871 census as there are many people of these names in Norfolk. Also on the 1881 census please. Thank you.
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: Kay99 on Saturday 14 December 13 15:33 GMT (UK)
1871? Living at  Shipdham.  Except Mary Ann all were born Shipdham, Norfolk

Robert Cross 28 Bricklayer
Mary Ann Cross    25 b Bradenham, Norfolk
Elizabeth Cross 4
William Cross 2
Edith Cross 9 Months

Kay
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: Kay99 on Saturday 14 December 13 15:39 GMT (UK)
1881 Living at Old Post Office St  Shipdham - Again all born Shipdham except Mary Ann

Robert Cross    38  Bricklayer
Mary Ann Cross    36
William Cross 12 Brick layers Labourer
Edith Cross 10
Julia Cross 8
Rosa Cross 6
Herbert Cross 4
James Cross 2
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: moors on Saturday 14 December 13 15:45 GMT (UK)
Thank you for 1881 census is it possible for you to find them on 1891 census please.
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: Kay99 on Saturday 14 December 13 15:46 GMT (UK)
I don't think Alice Rebecca was born until post the 1881 census  and this family with Alice in 1891 living at 6 Old Post Office Lane Shipdham.  Robert is still a bricklayer and Mary Ann is listed as born in East Bradenham, Norfolk

Robert Cross 48 Bricklayer
Mary A Cross 45
Herbert Cross 13 Errand Boy
James Cross 11
Alice Cross 9
Ethel Cross 7
Robert Cross 5
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: moors on Saturday 14 December 13 16:02 GMT (UK)
Thank you for the 1891 census.
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: berkeley on Saturday 14 December 13 16:59 GMT (UK)
                   Hi just as an add on to your search, Mary Ann Self in East Bradenham
                    born.....27/09/1845
                    bapt....02/11/1845.....Pa John..Ma Elizabeth, F/Search Norfolk PR's   
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: moors on Monday 16 December 13 11:34 GMT (UK)
Thank you for the info. Ann
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: candrjm on Monday 16 December 13 16:09 GMT (UK)
Just in case you don't have the marriage details for Robert & Mary Ann:

County   Norfolk
Place   Shipdham
Church   All Saints
RegisterNumber   248
MarriageDate   08 Dec 1865
GroomForename   Robert
GroomSurname   CROSS
GroomAge   
GroomParish   
GroomCondition   Bachelor
GroomOccupation   Bricklayer
GroomAbode   
BrideForename   Mary Ann
BrideSurname   SELF
BrideAge   
BrideParish   
BrideCondition   Spinster
BrideOccupation   
BrideAbode   
GroomFatherForename   John
GroomFatherSurname   CROSS
GroomFatherOccupation   Bricklayer
BrideFatherForename   John
BrideFatherSurname   SELF
BrideFatherOccupation   Labourer
WitnessOneForename   James
WitnessOneSurname   BALES
WitnessTwoForename   James
WitnessTwoSurname   MENDHAM
Notes   Groom Of Full Age - Bride A Minor
FileNumber   528




and here's the link for the actual marriage cert:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11547-101525-71?cc=1416598&wc=MMVP-4T1:n1130374463
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: candrjm on Monday 16 December 13 16:16 GMT (UK)
and here's the link for Alice Rebecca's bapt:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11547-101190-78?cc=1416598&wc=MMVP-4L7:n1304942961
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: moors on Monday 16 December 13 16:48 GMT (UK)
Thank you for the info. Ann
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: moors on Thursday 19 December 13 11:47 GMT (UK)
I would like to have the census for where Robert Cross and his wife Mary Ann (Self) were on the 1841/1851/1861 and 1901 census please.
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: Kay99 on Friday 20 December 13 06:22 GMT (UK)
In 1901 the couple were living in Old Post Office St Cottages Shipdham - All born Shipdham

Robert Cross    57 Bricklayer
Mary H Cross    55
Ernest Cross    15 Bakers Apprentice
Ethel Cross    17 Domestic Servant

In 1861 at Post Office St Shipdham with his father

John Cross    69 Bricklayer b Shipdham
Robert Cross    18 Bricklayer

In 1851 at Post Office Street again

John Cross    57 Journeyman Bricklayer
Rebbeca Cross    48 b Yarmouth Caistor, Norfolk,
Robert Cross    8

In 1841 pre Robert at Post Office St - All born in County

John Cross    45 Bricklayer Journeyman
Rebecca Cross    37
Susanna Cross    16
Mary Cross    14
William Cross    11
Elizabeth Cross    9
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: Kay99 on Friday 20 December 13 06:33 GMT (UK)
This looks like Mary Ann Self in 1851 Living at High Green, East Bradenham, Everyone except Elizabeth and brother born in East Bradenham

John Self    41 Road Man
Elizabeth Self 39 b Gressenhall, Norfolk
Rose Ann Self 12
Harriott Self 9
Joseph Self 7
Mary A Self 5
Ann Self    2
Robert Robinson 33 Brother in Law - Higgler b Gressenhall, Norfolk

In 1861 Mary was a general servant at East Bradenham with the following blacksmith's family

John Tolman    33
Matilda Tolman    32
Alice Tolman    1
Mary Ann Selfe    15


Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: moors on Tuesday 31 December 13 13:32 GMT (UK)
First I would like to wish you all the very best for the New Year.

Can the (M) of John Cross to Rebecca Purse 26/1/1823 Shipham be variefied, as I cannot find it on the familysearch site. Is it possible to go further back with this family of Cross, in other words who were John Cross parents?   
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: The Yokel on Tuesday 31 December 13 13:59 GMT (UK)
Hi moors

Here's the marriage

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xev/

unfortunately the parents names are not given

regards
yokel
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: moors on Tuesday 31 December 13 14:16 GMT (UK)
Thank you for posting the info.
Title: Re: Surname CROSS Shipdham/Mitford
Post by: The Yokel on Tuesday 31 December 13 14:30 GMT (UK)
This could be his baptism. Third of the way down on the left hand page

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xew/