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Title: Searching for Thomas Powell (Abt 1825, Liverpool Toxteth/Hawarden)
Post by: Ryan_P on Friday 13 December 13 15:10 GMT (UK)
Hi all, in need of some help if you can. I have been researching my family history for the past year and it has been going fantastic until i came across my Great, Great, Great, Great Grandad and Nan were the information seems to end.

Grandad: Thomas Powell - Born Abt 1825 (Unknown birthplace)
                                    - Lived in Liverpool Toxteth from 1851 - 1871
                                    - Boilermaker and first child was born in Ireland (William Powell 1849)

Nan:        Ann Wright     - Born Abt 1826 (Hawarden, Flintshire)
                                    - Mother & Father: Anne Huntington & John Wright (Hawarden, Flintshire)
                                    - Lived in Liverpool Toxteth 1861
                                    - No record of her in the 1871 census Powell household, so i think she may of died.
                                    - First child was born in Ireland (William Powell 1849)

I cannot find any marriage or even birth cert for Thomas. I understand that boilermakers tended to travel depending on where the work was. I think that is why their first child was born in Ireland. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Ryan.  :)



     
Title: Re: Searching for Thomas Powell (Abt 1825, Liverpool Toxteth/Hawarden)
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 13 December 13 15:20 GMT (UK)
Hi would he therefore be the married Thomas Powell 26 occ Boiler Maker b Liverpool lodging in Toxteth Park 1851?

Census ref HO107/2187/547/29

Keyboard86
Title: Re: Searching for Thomas Powell (Abt 1825, Liverpool Toxteth/Hawarden)
Post by: Radcliff on Friday 13 December 13 15:45 GMT (UK)
Toxteth Park,
communal grave , if that is the correct word,
Ann Powell,
aged 43 years,
wife,
abode workhouse,
26th April 1869
Grave reference, 358 . conformist, section s
Title: Re: Searching for Thomas Powell (Abt 1825, Liverpool Toxteth/Hawarden)
Post by: Ryan_P on Friday 13 December 13 16:22 GMT (UK)
Quote
Hi would he therefore be the married Thomas Powell 26 occ Boiler Maker b Liverpool lodging in Toxteth Park 1851?

Census ref HO107/2187/547/29

Keyboard86

Thanks keyboard that is correct, I have this in my records. Radcliff that is brilliant and very interesting. So that explains why she isn't in the 1871 family census. Anything else regarding Thomas Powell?  :o
Title: Re: Searching for Thomas Powell (Abt 1825, Liverpool Toxteth/Hawarden)
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 14 December 13 05:12 GMT (UK)
Hi would he therefore be the married Thomas Powell 26 occ Boiler Maker b Liverpool lodging in Toxteth Park 1851?

Census ref HO107/2187/547/29

Keyboard86

says Born Liverpool aged 26
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Thomas Powell 1824 to 1826 - only one baptism shows
baptism 22nd March 1825 at St Peter ,Liverpool
Thomas Reeves Powell
son of Richard Powell and Hannah
abode Everton
occupation Cork Cutter
Baptised by W Horner ....

could this be your Thomas Powell ??
ADDED....if it is your Thomas ...Hannahs maiden name was Reeves ...married in Everton ,Liverpool
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NNB3-XBZ
Richard Powell was born 1794...looks like Hannah Reeves was also b 1794 - both 21 at their marriage
Title: Re: Searching for Thomas Powell (Abt 1825, Liverpool Toxteth/Hawarden)
Post by: Ryan_P on Saturday 14 December 13 11:58 GMT (UK)
That is fantastic garstonite, thank you so much. How can I make sure that is it his father?

Many thanks,
Ryan.  ;D
Title: Re: Searching for Thomas Powell (Abt 1825, Liverpool Toxteth/Hawarden)
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 14 December 13 18:13 GMT (UK)
Ryan - I am only going by the 1851 census return - stating he is 26  ..so he would be born 1824 or 1825 ...I think the 1851 census was 31st March 1851 ...and Thomas Reeves Powell was baptised 22nd march 1825- so would be t least 26 on census date - but - and this is the catch - we presume Thomas Reeves Powell was born abt a week before his baptism ....he could have been older , even 3 years of age ....so I don`t think you can be 100% sure , but he is a very good possibility ...if the census details are correct..
maybe some other member could add their advice
allan
Title: Re: Searching for Thomas Powell (Abt 1825, Liverpool Toxteth/Hawarden)
Post by: welsh lady on Saturday 14 December 13 19:27 GMT (UK)
Hiya you need Thomas and Anns marriage cert to confirm all the good info thats been found ,but like you im having trouble finding it?
Will try again now and what are Thomas and Anns childrens names?

Welsh Lady

Title: Re: Searching for Thomas Powell (Abt 1825, Liverpool Toxteth/Hawarden)
Post by: Ryan_P on Saturday 14 December 13 19:47 GMT (UK)
Thanks alot for your kind help welsh lady.

Thomas and Anns Children:

- William (born 1849) 'Born in Ireland'
- Eliza (born 1854) Liverpool
- Thomas (born 1857) Liverpool
- Edwin (born 1861) Liverpool

 :)
Title: Re: Searching for Thomas Powell (Abt 1825, Liverpool Toxteth/Hawarden)
Post by: welsh lady on Saturday 14 December 13 19:59 GMT (UK)
Found two of the childrens baptisms but still not the marriage yet

St Martin in the Field Liverpool
William Powell
25 th April 1849
Father-Thomas occ-Boiler Maker
Mother-Ann
Abode-28 Doncaster Street

St Peters Liverpool
Edwin Powell
20th Jan 1861
born 21st Dec 1860
Father-Thomas occ-Boiler Maker
Mother-Ann
Abode-Toxteth Park

Welsh Lady
Title: Re: Searching for Thomas Powell (Abt 1825, Liverpool Toxteth/Hawarden)
Post by: Ryan_P on Saturday 14 December 13 20:25 GMT (UK)
Thanks kindly I have good detailed information in my records already about the children, just at a stumbling block with finding the marriage cert. Your help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Ryan.  :D

Title: Re: Searching for Thomas Powell (Abt 1825, Liverpool Toxteth/Hawarden)
Post by: welsh lady on Saturday 14 December 13 20:49 GMT (UK)
Thomas marries again doesnt he?  Think i have the right family in
1891 census with new wife Sarah have you tried getting this marriage cert to get his fathers name off that

Welsh Lady
Title: Re: Searching for Thomas Powell (Abt 1825, Liverpool Toxteth/Hawarden)
Post by: Ryan_P on Saturday 14 December 13 21:14 GMT (UK)
That is very interesting, with his occupation and age being correct and with ann dying fairly young it is quite possible that he marries again. Once again thank you for your help and time.  :D
Title: Re: Searching for Thomas Powell (Abt 1825, Liverpool Toxteth/Hawarden)
Post by: JenB on Tuesday 17 December 13 21:15 GMT (UK)
Hiya you need Thomas and Anns marriage cert to confirm all the good info thats been found ,but like you im having trouble finding it?

new thread about the marriage here  :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=671192.msg5163272#msg5163272
Title: Re: Searching for Thomas Powell (Abt 1825, Liverpool Toxteth/Hawarden)
Post by: Ryan_P on Monday 18 May 15 16:51 BST (UK)
Marriage cert with a Thomas Powell & Sarah Lord (Boilermaker)
1877 St Matthews Toxteth, Liverpool.

Dates match perfectly, does anyone know I can better confirm this to thomas?