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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Oxfordshire => Topic started by: Jamesk10 on Friday 06 December 13 12:00 GMT (UK)
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I have just received the birth certificate of a Richard King, born 1839 in Tackley.
Based on census records, I had expected to see his parents stated as John King and Eliza *something* so I would then know her maiden name.
His mother is stated as "Eliza King formerly King" which has really confused me ???
Could it be a mistake by the registrar?
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Were there any younger children born to this couple? The only way to be certain might be to buy one of their certificates, if it shows the same, then you will know that her maiden name was King.
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Were there any younger children born to this couple? The only way to be certain might be to buy one of their certificates, if it shows the same, then you will know that her maiden name was King.
Yes, there were other children. I think I will have to order a certificate for one of them too.
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Yes, there were other children. I think I will have to order a certificate for one of them too.
The problem being I can't find birth records for any of them to get the GRO reference :/
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John KING married Eliza KING. 13 Oct 1828 @ Tackley.**
This seems very likely, seeing that Mildred KING appears to be born, c1828, according to the 1841 census.
Maybe Tackley PR's will hold more clues.
John KING c1805, from Kirtlington, Eliza KING c1811, from Tackley...........could be related going further back. ;)
According to OxFHS Kirtlington Pr's, John KING was baptised, 20 March 1803, to Charles & Eliz: KING.
Steve. :)
Taken from OxFHS Marriage Index. 1538-1837.**
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Richard KING marries Sarah BENCH, 18 Mar 1861 @ Kirtlington. (Both of Kirtlington).
Groom Father - John KING. Occ. Lab.
Bride Father - Henry BENCH. Occ.Blacksmith.
Witnesses - Matilda Thorley, Mary Watts, John Allen & William Strange Alder.
Steve. :)
Taken from OxFHS - Kirtlington Pr's.
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John KING married Eliza KING, 13 Oct 1828 @ Tackley. This seems very likely, seeing that Mildred KING appears to be born, c1828, according to the 1841 census.
Agreed :)
John KING c1805, from Kirtlington, Eliza KING c1811, from Tackley........... could be related going further back. ;)
From experience of researching this family that doesn't really surprise me!
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Hi Jamesk17,
This might help from OFHS Tackley PRs...
Marriage...
13 Oct 1838 John King (x), bach to Eliza King (x), spin, botp
Wits....Elizabeth King (x), William King (x)
Sue :)
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Possible baptism for Eliza...
1 July 1810 Eliza Matilda King dau of Thomas and Mary....
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This might help from OFHS Tackley PRs...
Marriage...
13 Oct 1838 John King (x), bach to Eliza King (x), spin, botp
Wits....Elizabeth King (x), William King (x)
Sue :)
Great, but is that a typo? Earlier post by Bucksboy says their marriage as 13/10/1828 and I've now confirmed that information myself through a lookup request with the OFHS.
Question is now, how far back do we go before they're related...
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Ooops sorry my mistake, yes should be 1828.... ::) :)
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This might help from OFHS Tackley PRs...
Marriage...
13 Oct 1838 John King (x), bach to Eliza King (x), spin, botp
Wits....Elizabeth King (x), William King (x)
Sue :)
Great, but is that a typo? Earlier post by Bucksboy says their marriage as 13/10/1828 and I've now confirmed that information myself through a lookup request with the OFHS.
Question is now, how far back do we go before they're related...
Maybe 2 generations, or 4. Or......maybe not at all. Who knows until the research is done. ;D
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I have a WESTON marrying a WESTON they had to prove back to grandparents that they weren't related, so you may end up with more information that you thought if you get the marriage certificate (though in my grandparents case I'm not sure if it was just because they both had the same name for their mother (different maiden names though) and initial for father (Arthur and Albert) - gone back 4 generations and so far no intercrossing (and geographically spreading away from each other)
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I went to the OFHS centre yesterday and looked through some parish records.
I found the baptism of John (Kirtlington 1803) and the marriage of his parents Charles and Elizabeth (Tackley 1772) which is a little earlier than I expected but it's the only one in the area. I've got some notes to still look through so hope there may be a bit more information on them.
I found the baptism of Elizabeth (1812 in Tackley) but couldn't find any marriages in Kirtlington or Tackley, but I did find two in Oxford (St Mary Mag 1805 and St Giles 1798) but the records provided no further clues as to which was the one them. So looks like that's the end of that line of research :/
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You should be looking for marriages for Thomas KING & Mary. Eliza Matilda was baptised 1810, Tackley, to Thomas & Mary KING.
1798 marriages were at St. Mary Mag. to either Jane Fox or Sarah Thomas.
1805 marriage was at St Giles, to SARAH Curbe,
Marriages for Thomas KING to a Mary.
1783 - Chinnor. To Mary BRITNELL.
1785 - Deddington. To Mary YOUNG.
1806 - Stadhampton. To Mary BROWN.
1809 - Stoke Talmage. To Mary TURNER.
You need to find out, if there are other earlier or later baptisms in Tackley to Thomas & Mary KING.
Don't give up so easily. ;D ;D
Steve. :)
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You should be looking for marriages for Thomas KING & Mary. Eliza Matilda was baptised 1810, Tackley, to Thomas & Mary KING.
I found two baptisms for Elizabeth in Tackley. One was in 1812 with parents Thomas and Sarah, and the other was in 1810 with parents Thomas and Mary.
On the 1841 census, for John and Elizabeth living in Tackley, there is a Sarah born 1781 living with them. I thought this was one of their mothers. As John's parents are Charles and Elizabeth Spencer (married 1772 Tackley) then that's why I think her parents were Thomas and Sarah, and led to the two marriages in Oxford.
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Ah, Ok. I didn't realise you'd found another baptism.
But, there is a slight difference between Eliza & Elizabeth, as a christian name. I suppose a death or burial will give more details of age and name. ;)
I did notice Sarah KING c1781, in the 1841 census, but as relationships aren't given, I didn't assume anything.
Maybe a marriage for the other Eliza/Elizabeth KING, would clear it up.
There is a marriage for an Elizabeth KING to Robert BUSWELL(of Wootton) @ Tackley. 12 Nov 1832. (From the OxFHS-Marriage Index).
Steve. :)
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There is a marriage for an Elizabeth KING to Robert BUSWELL(of Wootton) @ Tackley. 12 Nov 1832. (From the OxFHS-Marriage Index).
Also on that 1841 census there's a Fredrich BUSSWELL born 1837. Perhaps that's the son of Elizabeth and Robert.
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1841 census.
Robert Buswel c1811. Oxfordshire. Ag.Lab
Mark Buswel. c1833. Oxfordshire.
Charles Johnson. c.1821. Oxfordshire.
Living in Wootton.
There is also another Robert Buswell who marries a Mary(Mercey) NORTH in 1835 @ Fritwell. They are in the 1841 census @ Stoke Lyne. He dies there in 1857.
I'll check Wootton PR's, and see if there is a death/burial for Elliza/Elizabeth Buswell, and a baptism for Mark Buswell c1833.
Steve. :)
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Mark BUSWELL, baptised 14 Mar 1833 @ Wootton. Son of Robert & Elizabeth.
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Zilpha . 1834.
Frederick. 4 Sep 1836.
Eliza - 1 June 1838.
Burials.
Elizabeth BUSWELL aged 27. Buried, 11 Nov 1838.
Eliza BUSWELL, aged 4 months. Buried, 23 Sep. 1838.
So, I think this Robert BOSWELL, ended up in Paddington/Marylebone.
Steve. :)
From OxFHS - Wootton PR's.
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Just looked through my notes again and looks like I made a slight mistake :-[ apologies Bucksboy for ignoring your wisdom :P
The 1851 census shows John King (b.1805 Kirt) married to Eliza (b.1811 Tackley) and their 4 children.
As previously mentioned I found 2 possible baptisms in Tackley for Eliza - #1: Eliza Matilda b.1810 dau/of Thomas & Mary, or #2: Elizabeth b.1812 dau/of Thomas & Sarah.
On the 1841 census there is a Sarah b.1781 who I *assumed* was the mother of either John or Eliza.
Baptism of John (1803, Kirt) states parents as Charles & Elizabeth, so I *assumed* that John's wife Eliza must be the Elizabeth born in 1812 not the Eliza Matilda born in 1810.
However looking at the 1861 census again it is John married to "Eliza M." and the 1871 census there is an "Eliza M." mother-in-law of David Siggars, who married Sarah Ann King (b1831 Tackley dau/of John & Eliza, died 1863). Pretty conclusive.
The Elizabeth born 1812 I think was the one who married Robert Buswell in 1832. The witness is Maria King, and she did have a sister called Maria.
Going back the 1841 census (getting dizzy going round in circles with this family) there is also living with John Eliza and Sarah a Fredrick Busswell b.1837, who is the son of Robert Buswell and Elizabeth (who's mother was Sarah). There's some link I've yet to figure out between Sarah and John but it's trickier than I originally thought.
Lesson learned... Eliza is not the same as Elizabeth ;)
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There's some link I've yet to figure out between Sarah and John but it's trickier than I originally thought.
I reckon that since I can only find the one marriage between a Charles King & Elizabeth, 1772 in Tackley, that they had 7 children born 1770-1788 in Tackley and then 4 children born 1803-1818 in Kirtlington. So on the 1841 census with John (b.1803) and wife Eliza, that Sarah (b.1781) who I assumed was one of their mothers is actually John's sister, born 23 years earlier. It doesn't seem too implausible.
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OR perhaps of those 7 children that Charles King & Elizabeth Spencer had their son Charles born 1770 married an Elizabeth and had 4 children in Kirtlington, including John. That makes even more sense.
Problem is still the same though - being only able to find the one marriage between a Charles King and an Eliza in Tackley or Kirtlington. Time to look further afield perhaps.