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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: richardmskll1 on Thursday 05 December 13 22:01 GMT (UK)
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Can anybody come up with a birth reg. for James Miskell b. 1823, surely there can't be that many aforementioned births in that year, any help really appreciated
Regards
Richard
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There were no birth registrations for that period- only baptismal entries in parish registers
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Same James Miskell in your other topic?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=669960.msg5150761#msg5150761
You say 'somewhere in Ireland' but have started this topic on GALWAY board_ is that because you think he was born somewhere in Galway or did you mean to select IRELAND-GENERAL?
Civil registration of births started in 1864- far too late for James. For earlier dates you need to see if church records exist (many pre-1850 do not) but to do so you need to know both the family's religion and where they lived (parish if not actual townland).
If you do find a promising record- bear in mind that not all records survive and of those that do not all are online so it might be difficult to be sure any record you do find is the correct one.
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Hi Aghadowey, Thanks for the info, never realised it would be that difficult, I posted it on the galway site as I'd seen a lot of entries on the Ancestry site and the name seemed quite common for that particular area, I've concluded that from your posting, my chances of finding any record are almost non exsistent and I don't have the expertise to undertake something such as this.
Best Wishes
Richard
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Richard, I'm no expert in Irish genealogy but on my search to try & track an ancestor I found this excellent site http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/
Perhaps you could find other documentation that gives his place of birth? And don't forget good old FamilySearch :)
Jane
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Hi Jane, Thanks for that, will have a look at that although not confident
Regards
Richard
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A Miskell family (two families indeed, cousins) lived near Loughrea (Clostoken parish) but the parish (RC) records don't begin until 1831. The EC records are currently 'lost' but I expect will turn up in a Dublin repository sooner or later.
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The EC records are currently 'lost' but I expect will turn up in a Dublin repository sooner or later.
Are they supposed to be 'lost' (as in whereabouts unknown) or were they sent to Dublin for safekeeping and destroyed when Four Courts, Dublin burned?
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Hi again aghadowey,
No, these weren't sent to the four courts as they weren't formal state records. The EC records, like the school rolls keep turning up with a bit of effort / luck. I wrote a piece for a journal (Genealogical Society) over here on the school rolls and the different places I found them and it would drive you mad. Some were still in the long-closed schools, some held in libraries, some kept by retiring schoolteachers as mementos, some in the national archives - I could go on.
For the RC records in this case, the Kilconickny (the local RC church) records are officially lost, however I've pieced together bits and pieces (from various sources) which can act as a substitute and I strongly suspect they survive somewhere in the extensive estate records of the Dunsandle Dalys (some of these records are in the National University of Ireland, Galway; some in the National Library being catalogued as we speak, and some other bits here and there) or in the records of the EC or in some Dublin repository.
On the wider genealogical picture, I think we're moving into an era with a greater appreciation over here for conservation and I expect to see more and more little nuggets being unearthed. Its happening already (old maps, local graveyards being quietly digitised, family records being made available), its just not being highlighted / catalogued yet. I live in hope :-)
S.
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By EC you do mean Established Church? the Church of Ireland was the State church so many of the records were sent to Dublin for safekeeping. Not sure if there is any list of the destroyed records but you can often tell from the date church records start that this might be what happened to them.
"Historically, each parish in Ireland kept its own records. Because the Church of Ireland was the state or established church, these parish records were considered state records. In 1876 a law was passed requiring that Church of Ireland parish registers be sent to the Public Record Office (now the National Archives) in Dublin for safekeeping. This law was amended in 1878 to allow parishes with good storage facilities to retain their records, so not all parish records were sent to Dublin. Further, some ministers made copies of their records before sending the originals to Dublin. Thus, many Church of Ireland records remain, even though the records sent to Dublin were destroyed in 1922 when the Public Record Office burned."
http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Church_of_Ireland_Records
School records are another matter entirely and yes, they still do turn up in the strangest places- lofts and cupboards in houses, museums, etc. PRONI in Belfast has gathered a large number of them covering Northern Ireland counties.