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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: MargP on Thursday 05 December 13 12:59 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Richard Stanton b 1785 Tipton, married, Phoebe Sheldon,
1 Oct 1827, St Thomas, Dudley Staffs, both are shown has Widowed
Witnesses Mary Morgan and John Allen
Form the information from there daughter Eliza christening record 30 March 1828,
Richards occupation is Nailer and the Abode is Horseley Heath, this all tallies with the census records.
I am tying to find Richard's previous wife, and if they had any children
Thank you
Margp
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There are quite a few Richard Stanton marriages on freereg.co.uk If you select Staffordshire as the county and for places select all.
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There are quite a few Richard Stanton marriages on freereg.co.uk If you select Staffordshire as the county and for places select all.
Hi Jean, I have looked, and the only one I can find, is one to a Mary Fletcher but this Richard is a key filer and his abode is Hill St Walsall, also I can't find a Phoebe marrying a Sheldon, I thought a fresh pair of eyes may spot something I had miss
Marg
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Richard Stanton bapt 24.6.1810 Tipton to Richard and Mary Stanton
There's a Phoebe Jarvis marrying a James Sheldon 1.10.1821 at St Phillips Birmingham
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Burial Mary Stanton 17th Dec. 1820 St Martins Tipton
Horseley Heath age 31 yrs
Jackie
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Thanks Ciderdrinker, Richard Stanton was baptised 31 July Tipton parents Richard Stanton and Sarah Blackham, that marriage looks interesting, now to find a death for James Sheldon
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Burial Mary Stanton 17th Dec. 1820 St Martins Tipton
Horseley Heath age 31 yrs
Jackie
That looks good Jackie, I am now wondering if that may be, Mary Fletcher :-\ :-\ :-\
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Richard Stanton bapt 24.6.1810 Tipton to Richard and Mary Stanton
There's a Phoebe Jarvis marrying a James Sheldon 1.10.1821 at St Phillips Birmingham
Well its not Phoebe Jarvis she is on the 1851 census with James Sheldon living in Walsall
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1851 census Tipton Staffs H0107/2029 folio697 page 6
Edward Sheldon age 39 (with Richard + Phoebe)
Jackie
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Marg
Have a look on FreeREG.
marriage St Martins Tipton Edward Sheldon + Phebe Horton 1816 (witness Wlm Stanton)
Jackie
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Marg
Have a look on FreeREG.
marriage St Martins Tipton Edward Sheldon + Phebe Horton 1816 (witness Wlm Stanton)
Jackie
Thanks Jackie, I have been going bog eyed looking through FreeReg and I must have missed that one, I think that's her, thank you one again
Marg :) :) :)
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Marg
Have a look on FreeREG.
marriage St Martins Tipton Edward Sheldon + Phebe Horton 1816 (witness Wlm Stanton)
Jackie
Thanks Jackie, I have been going bog eyed looking through FreeReg and I must have missed that one, I think that's her, thank you one again
Marg :) :) :)
Hi Jackie, I can confirm that this marriage is correct, Edward Sheldon died in 1820, they has 2 sons, Joseph Sheldon b 1817, and Edward Sheldon b 1820, Edward is with Phoebe on the 1851 census, his age is transcribed incorrectly, has 39 but should be 30,
So that has sorted Phoebe out,
Thank you all for your input
Marg :) :) :) :)
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Good to see your researches still going well Marg.
I can't remember what old records I sent you re. Stantons of Walsall and Tipton. I am pretty sure I sent you the memorandum of 1833 and the family tree but if not let me know
Duncan
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Good to see your researches still going well Marg.
I can't remember what old records I sent you re. Stantons of Walsall and Tipton. I am pretty sure I sent you the memorandum of 1833 and the family tree but if not let me know
Duncan
Hi Zen rabbit, yes you did send me the family tree, I am still chipping away at it.
At the moment, I am trying to establish who Richard Stanton's first wife was, I will have a look at the information that you sent me, too see if there are any clues there.
There is one candidate for his wife, who is a Mary Fletcher, its just trying to find that vital clue to connect the two Richards together, and its not looking good at the moment, after days of research
Marg x
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That's a shame. I was in Stafford yesterday, I could had a look at the records if I had known
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Hi Zen
I have got most of the information, so don't worry
Richard married Mary Fletcher 14 March 1808 All Saints West Bromwich
witnesses Richard Stanley and Mary Fletcher
I think that these are all there children
Richard Stanton, 24 Jun 1810, St Martins, Tipton
Mary 23 Sept 1812 St Matthews Walsall
Martha 3 April 1814 St Matthews Walsall Hill St Walsall fathers occ Spur Maker
Maria 27 Sept 1815 St Matthews Walsall New St Key Maker
Louisa 4 Oct 1818 St Matthews Walsall Hill St Key Filer
His wife Mary died 17 Dec 1820 aged 31, Abode Horseley Heath
With the first child born and his wife death in the Horseley Heath area, could this be the Richard who married Phoebe Sheldon nee Horton 1 Oct 1827 St Thomas Dudley
I have looked at some of the marriages for Richard and Mary's children, and they are in Hill St Walsall, it also stated that Richard is a Key Maker, but he may have left his children there, when he married Phoebe and changed his occ to Hinge Maker, and his children may have thought he was still a Key Maker, all supposition I know
Marg
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Marg
Have a look on FreeREG.
marriage St Martins Tipton Edward Sheldon + Phebe Horton 1816 (witness Wlm Stanton)
Jackie
Thanks Jackie, I have been going bog eyed looking through FreeReg and I must have missed that one, I think that's her, thank you one again
Marg :) :) :)
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Hi Zen
I have got most of the information, so don't worry
Richard married Mary Fletcher 14 March 1808 All Saints West Bromwich
witnesses Richard Stanley and Mary Fletcher
I think that these are all there children
Richard Stanton, 24 Jun 1810, St Martins, Tipton
Mary 23 Sept 1812 St Matthews Walsall
Martha 3 April 1814 St Matthews Walsall Hill St Walsall fathers occ Spur Maker
Maria 27 Sept 1815 St Matthews Walsall New St Key Maker
Louisa 4 Oct 1818 St Matthews Walsall Hill St Key Filer
His wife Mary died 17 Dec 1820 aged 31, Abode Horseley Heath
With the first child born and his wife death in the Horseley Heath area, could this be the Richard who married Phoebe Sheldon nee Horton 1 Oct 1827 St Thomas Dudley
I have looked at some of the marriages for Richard and Mary's children, and they are in Hill St Walsall, it also stated that Richard is a Key Maker, but he may have left his children there, when he married Phoebe and changed his occ to Hinge Maker, and his children may have thought he was still a Key Maker, all supposition I know
Marg
Also, If Richard and Mary married at West Brom. it looks like that they were originally from that area and moved to Walsall
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Marg
In the 1851 census, Richard says he was born at West Brom. and there are Stantons living in
the next couple of houses.
Jackie
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Marg
In the 1851 census, Richard says he was born at West Brom. and there are Stantons living in
the next couple of houses.
Jackie
Hi Jackie, yes I saw that one, from memory I think there was another Richard Stanton with wife Catherine and was the other one a William Stanton, I will have look to see if I can find a connection
Thanks for your input, I am trying to put Brick Wall in my in my title, and have not got a clue how to do this, any ideas
Marg x
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Marg
I think you have to press the modify button.
Jackie
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Marg
I think you have to press the modify button.
Jackie
Hi Jackie, I have tried that, it just changes that post, and not the main title :'(
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It is interesting if your Richard Stanton came from Walsall as on the tree compiled from the various old trees and pedigrees I have I had Richard as the Richard from Horsely Heath (resident not necessarily born there) son of Richard Stanton and Sarah Blackham, son of William Stanton, nailer of West Brom and Jane Whitehouse. The other Richard Stanton mentioned on the tree is Walsall born son of Richard Stanton, spurfiler of Walsall (wife unknown) who was the son of Richard Stanton of Oldbury, Pedlar who married Mary Littlefoot in Walsall in 1757.
This may change the allocation of those mentioned in the 1833 memorandum which are John Stanton of Wednesbury in the county of Stafford, farmer, eldest surviving son and heir of law of Richard Stanton deceased, William Stanton of Horsely in the said county of Stafford, nailor. John Stanton of great Bridge in the same county, engineer; Richard Stanton of Horsely aforesaid, nailor, William Stanton of the same place, Blacksmith; William Stanton of Walsall in the said county, spurbuckle and Nicholas Male of the Borough of Dudley
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Hi Zen
Well that puts my theory out of the window
So we have 2 Richard Stanton's
Richard Stanton of Walsall, Spur Filer son of Richard Stanton and Mary Littlefoot he dies before 1833
And my Richard Stanton son of Richard Stanton and Sarah Blackham
So the search goes on for Richards first wife
Thank you very much Zen, this has been very helpful
Marg x
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I have created a transcripted version of all the trees and pedigrees from 1780's up to 1800 with other bits of baptisms and papers from Stafford archives. if you haven't already got it I can send you a copy. It might make disentangling things a bit easier.
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That would be great Zen, have you still got my e-mail details
Marg x
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emailed it over.
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I found out that there are quite a few more transcribed documents since I last emailed you so I have sent these too
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Hi there sorry to jump onto your thread... Louisa stanton born 1818 in hill street walsall is my 4x great nan daughter of richard stanton.....for many many years i have been trying to figure out what happened to him as i couldnt confirm.
how ever i have been doing the ancestry dna tests for 4 years now on my self andfamily members, i recently tested my 1st cousin 2x removed ( my grandmothers full 1st cousin) louisa stanton is her 2x great nan.
i found she had a strong dna match which a relative whos ancester was ambrose stanton born in 1791 in tipton son of richard stanton and sarah, so younger full brother of richard stanton born 1785. and i found ambrose in 1851 census living in hill street walsall aged 59 born in 59 a spur maker ! which is the same occuption ive seen of the "walsall richard stanton" and same street.
what i think is the tipton richard stanton born 1785 is the father of the walsall family 1810-1818 whos wife was mary fletcher who died in 1820, maybe the children stayed with family in walsall and he re married pheobe in 1827
Also one of the witnesses on maria stantons born 1814 married in 1839 was a john fletcher and my 4x great grandmother louisa stanton
i have found several dna links to richard stanton of tipton and my family is deffonatly from louisa of walsall born 1818
perhaps the older walsall richard stanton didnt have children, i have a death cert of a richard stanton aged 80 years who died in great berry street wolverhampton a greengrocer, but in 1833 i found he was a key grinder
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That fills in a few gaps on the tree.
On the records I have Richard marries Mary Fletcher 14 Mar 1808 in West Brom (Richard of Hill st, Walsall)
Children of Richard & Mary (not necessarily the same couple)
There is Ann bap 27 Dec 1807 Tipton, though she may be the daughter of Richard & Mary Chillingworth of Birmingham
Richard bap 24 Jun 1810 Tipton
Mary bap 26 Sept 1810 Walsall
Louisa bap 4 Oct 1818 Walsall
Children of Richard & Sarah Blackman (married 27 Dec 1780)
Ann bap 9 Oct 1781 Tipton
John bap 21 Sept 1783 Tipton
Richard bap 31 Jul 1785 Tipton
Ambrose bap 28 Aug 1791 Tipton (married Ann Price 25 Dec 1810 Tipton)
Sarah bap 29 Sept 1793 Tipton
Mary bap 13 Dec 1795 Tipton
William bap 25 Feb 1798 Tipton
Jeremiah bap 24 Nov 1799 Tipton