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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: BAC3 on Thursday 28 November 13 14:25 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I wonder if anyone can find the 1861 England Census entry for James LIMB, alternatives LYMM, LINK and LAMB, born in Preston Brook, Cheshire, in 1839 the son of John LIMB (1814) and Elizabeth (nee MADDOCK) (1817). He was christened at Daresbury, Cheshire, on 13/07/1839.
Ancestry and FamilySearch have no entries or, rather, ones that I have been able to find. I have no other options for Census research.
Thank you for your help,
BAC3
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was he married or single in 1861 ?
did he marry Mary Ratcliffe ?
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ok ...he married Mary Ratcliffe in St Thomas church,Stockton Heath 1862...given as Runcorn on freebmd....
in case you don`t have it ...parents marriage with both fathers names as well
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NV92-WJ9
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Do you have him on later census, I see he was a prisoner age 11 in 1851.
Rosie
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Thank you for looking.
Possibly I should have mentioned that I have all other Census entries except the elusive 1861.
BAC3
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Hmm ! wonder if this is him in Alverstoke initials of JL only and says born Sandbach Cheshire aged 20 and a Marine ........ all the others have initials only too
1861 RG 9; Piece: 647; Folio: 29; Page: 39;
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Just seen a Tree on Ancestry that shows an entry on the Criminal records for a James Lymm, 1851, the record says he was sentenced to Transportation for 7 years so maybe he was sent to Australia after 1851 census , tho the tree has him marrying in 1862 in the UK ,
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Just seen a Tree on Ancestry that shows an entry on the Criminal records for a James Lymm, 1851, the record says he was sentenced to Transportation for 7 years so maybe he was sent to Australia after 1851 census , tho the tree has him marrying in 1862 in the UK ,
good find Jan ...I would say thats a good reason we can`t find him
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He spent the whole of his 7 year transportation sentence in Parkhurst Prison and was eventually released on 26/03/1858.
It is the 1861 England Census only that I am looking for as I have the rest of his life story......he does not appear on the 1861 enumeration with his parents and could have been living elsewhere.
BAC3
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He did come back but maybe not before 1861.
There is another record for him 19 Oct 1868 sentenced to 3 months hard labour at Knutsford for stealing
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Sorry Bac 3
My reply crossed with yours and you probably know about the later record.
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I suppose he might have tried the Merchant Navy ?...he did live right by the River Mersey...or is that clutching at straws ...do you have an occupation for him BAC in other census returns ??
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What was his address and occupation when he married
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Thank you all for trying to help.
It does appear there is no 1861 Census entry for him and I will qualify "his story" with that detail.
BAC3
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October 17, 1855; Liverpool Mercury.
A convict from Liverpool, Patrick Battle age 18 died from poisoning at Parkhurst, he had been convicted of robbing a till. The chief witness was James Limb, convict no. 113 who said he had been there three years.
He goes on to say he was sent there when he was 11 for stealing a horse. He was remanded for two assizes because they were unable to find the man he sold it to.
It is a rather horrific story in that James describes what the prisoners used to do to try to be admitted to the infirmary. Swallowing ground glass, using "green stuff off the pump" in pills,
it seems Patrick just wanted to make himself sick enough to be admitted, but sadly died from his actions.
The story is in other papers and varies in that James has been in prison 4 years.
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Thank you for your message......I am very grateful.
The Parkhurst Prison Medical Officer's report on the death of Patrick BATTLE, which I had cross-referenced to James LIMB earlier in my research, goes into a little more detail, but the newspaper extracts are pretty accurate in their descriptions. A lot of the inmates regarded transportation as a fate worse than death!!!
Sadly, his entry in the 1861 England Census, the subject of my original enquiry, still eludes me.
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I had stumbled on this James when researching my Ratcliffe family.. so I have a little info on Mary.
Her line is not related to mine.. although mine lived in Stockton Heath at same time.
She is daughter of John Ratcliffe b. 1825 Lymm and wife Ellen
John was a waterman.
Mary is with parents and siblings in Stockton Heath/Appleton in 1851
She is with mother and siblings in Stockton Heath in 1861.. she was probably pregnant at the time.
She gave birth to illig. son John Ratcliffe in 1861. He was bapt 5 May 1861 at St. Thomas, Stockton Heath. ( I screencapped record if you want it.)
John is living with Mary and James in 1871.
Mary's father John and a brother , both born in Lymm, both Watermen.. settled in Stockton Heath.
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maryp,
Thank you for that information.
I am very grateful and have updated my records accordingly.
For now,
Tony