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Title: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: Ian in Canada on Tuesday 26 November 13 01:48 GMT (UK)
John Walton WHITE died in 1918 as a result of injuries received in World War I.  He is buried in "Consett Blackhill and Blackhill Old Cemetery".  I would love to have a photo of his memorial stone and any other info about him.  Any and all help would be much appreciated.  He was closely related to my WHITE grandfather, and his parents were Pattinson and Elizabeth WHITE.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 26 November 13 02:20 GMT (UK)
hi,,,is this your chap  ?

Name: John Walton WHITE

Rank: PRIVATE

Initials: J W

Birthplace: Prudhoe-On-Tyne, Northumberland

Place of residence: Blackhill, Durham

Enlisted: St Helens, Lancs

Regiment, Corps etc.: Prince of Wales's Volunteers (South Lancashire Regiment)

Battalion etc.: 2/5th Battalion.

Number: 242157

Date died: 21 April 1918

How died: Died of wounds

Theatre of war: Home
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 26 November 13 02:24 GMT (UK)
you can order a copy of a photo of his headstone from here,,,,costs  3.50

http://www.twgpp.org/information.php?id=2114553
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 26 November 13 02:33 GMT (UK)
1891  census

Address  13, Tin Mill Place, Conside And Knitsley, Blackhill   County  Durham

WHITE  Pattinson Head Widower  b 1856    Butcher   Alston, Cumberland
WHITE  Minnie Daughter  b 1881      Prudhoe, Northumberland
WHITE  John Walton Son  b 1888      Prudhoe, Northumberland
MILBURN   Lizzie Servant Single  b 1868   General Servant Domestic   Blanchland, Northumberland
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 26 November 13 02:50 GMT (UK)
just to note that Pattinson was married twice,,,,Elizabeth was his second wife,,who he married after John was born,,,,so it is likely that Johns mother is in fact Pattinsons first wife,,Caroline  Proud,,who he married in 1878 in Northumberland.
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 26 November 13 03:03 GMT (UK)
he may be commemorated on a war memorial.....will have a look about   ;)
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 26 November 13 03:08 GMT (UK)
there is a J.White   {no middle initial)  on the Consett  WW1   war memorial,,which could be him ?

http://www.lostancestors.eu/memwar/C/Consett.htm
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: gortonboy on Tuesday 26 November 13 03:28 GMT (UK)
cant see a medal card for him ??   maybe he didn't serve abroad  ?
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: barryd on Tuesday 26 November 13 04:01 GMT (UK)
No one has mentioned his CWGC burial details. Here they are:

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/354233/WHITE,%20JOHN%20WALTON
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: Malcolm33 on Tuesday 26 November 13 04:50 GMT (UK)
   Where was Tin Mill Street?      My Gt.grandfather James Currie Draffan was living at No.6 Tin Mill Street in 1871 when he was aged 24, year before he married Jane Robson.     But in 1891 when your White's were there, the family had moved to Durham Street, Blackhill.   I've just been looking at an Old Map of Blackhill but cannot spot it.
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: Malcolm33 on Tuesday 26 November 13 04:55 GMT (UK)
   I've just had a look in The Consett Story.   Page 34 - in a list of Blackhill Residents for 1894 -
WHITE, PATTINSON, BUTCHER, TINMILL PLACE.
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: barryd on Tuesday 26 November 13 13:10 GMT (UK)
Tin Mill Street seems to be close to the Tin Mill School, Derwent Street, Blackhill.
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: Ian in Canada on Wednesday 27 November 13 02:01 GMT (UK)
Wow !  This is an amazing group.  Within 24 hrs. a load of replies with a great variety of information, and it's all relevant and useful.  Many, many thanks to all.  Ian (born in Newcastle). 
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: pb3 on Tuesday 03 December 13 20:34 GMT (UK)
Ian
         I've attached a PDF of the White family burials in Blackhill cemetery and a shot of the family grave you inquired about. John and his parents were buried in plot 813, Section 11. They are all commemorated on the 3-tier, white marble memorial shown in the attached pic.

         I have another, more detailed, shot of the part of the memorial referring to John; I'll attach it to my next posting as it's too large a file size to go with this one.

         Are you sure about his second Christian name, as there appears to be a disparity with that shown in the burial records?

         I apologize for the low quality of the images; I took them earlier this year as part of a photographic recording project of the headstones for transcription purposes. The strong sunlight and deep shadows caused severe contrast problems.

                 PatB.
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: pb3 on Tuesday 03 December 13 20:53 GMT (UK)
Ian

      Second shot attached as promised. The memorial reads as follows:-

In Loving Memory
of
JOHN W. WHITE
The dearly beloved Son of
PATTINSON and ELIZABETH WHITE,
who died April 21st 1918,
aged 30 years.
Died at Portsmouth Military Hospital
From Wounds Received In Action in France.
Peace Perfect Peace.

           John's inscription is on the front of the plinth and his parents' inscriptions are on either side. John obviously pre-deceased them by several years.

           PatB.
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: Ian in Canada on Wednesday 04 December 13 01:39 GMT (UK)
Many thanks Pat B. ... Your help is much appreciated.  Both photos are very satisfactory.  Ian in Canada.
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: Ian in Canada on Wednesday 04 December 13 02:37 GMT (UK)
Pat, since writing my previous message the pdf. has been read.  It's very obvious that you have put a great deal of work into photographing the memorials and listing the inscriptions.  It's very
impressive !!  Thanks again. Ian
 
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: pb3 on Wednesday 04 December 13 15:01 GMT (UK)
     Tin Mill Place is  clearly shown on the Blackhill and Shotley Bridge 1895 edition of the Godfrey map, http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk

     I find these maps very useful in local family history research and they are well worth purchasing if you are trying to track an old address of that period - I have no relationship with the Godfrey organisation, but I admire what they are doing and use their maps quite regularly.

     Tin Mill Place no longer exists. I think it was finally demolished in the 1970's. Blackhill CIU Workmen's Club and some small industrial units now stand on the site formerly occupied by Tin Mill Place (fronting onto the road), with Eltringham Street behind it and Blanchland Street (all now gone) behind that.

                    PatB.
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: Malcolm33 on Wednesday 04 December 13 20:29 GMT (UK)
  Many thanks Pat for putting us on to the Godfrey maps.    I am looking at three of them that will help me.
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: Palform on Tuesday 25 February 14 23:07 GMT (UK)
I can help you with the location and a copy of a 1895 street map for Tin Mill Place which is in Blackhill, which borders Consett. I can be contacted via email at: dunelm125@blueyonder.co.uk

Keith
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: Malcolm33 on Wednesday 26 February 14 04:46 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Palform on Tuesday 25 February 14 23:07 GMT (UK)
I can help you with the location and a copy of a 1895 street map for Tin Mill Place which is in Blackhill, which borders Consett. I can be contacted via email at....
Keith
   Thank you Keith.  I did buy that map and two others from Alan Godfrey's of Leadgate and they were sent promptly.    You need to modify your post and take out your email address as we are only allowed to give it in Personal Messages.   Malcolm
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: Ian in Canada on Wednesday 26 February 14 09:59 GMT (UK)
In yesterday's message from Malcolm33 he indicates an interest in the Turnbulls of Northumberland and Co. Durham.  My great.grandmother was a TURNBULL born in Northumberland.  I have details of her birth and marriage but am having difficulty pinning down her death.  Perhaps Malcolm33 would like to compare notes with me about the Turnbulls ??  Ian in Canada.  (born in Newcastle).
Title: Re: Consett - Blackhill Cemetery World War I death
Post by: Malcolm33 on Wednesday 26 February 14 18:35 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Ian in Canada on Wednesday 26 February 14 09:59 GMT (UK)
In yesterday's message from Malcolm33 he indicates an interest in the Turnbulls of Northumberland and Co. Durham.  My great.grandmother was a TURNBULL born in Northumberland.  I have details of her birth and marriage but am having difficulty pinning down her death.  Perhaps Malcolm33 would like to compare notes with me about the Turnbulls ??  Ian in Canada.  (born in Newcastle).

    There are many Turnbull lines in Northumbria and the Borders, Ian.    I'll send you a PM with my email address and we'll see if we can find the elusive death details of your gt.grandmother,  Malcolm in Melbourne (born in Consett).