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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: kerryb on Monday 25 November 13 18:07 GMT (UK)
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Just wondering if anyone lives near Hurstpierpoint? If you do, would you be able to check on a memorial in the church there. A memorial for Elizabeth Thorpe, wife of John Thorpe and she died 1624. I'm after a photo if at all possible?
Thanks for any help anyone can give. :D
Kerry
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Hi Kerry,
It may have to wait until term finishes but I can go then if nobody has done it for you before. Remind me!
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Hi Kerry,
I am heading down to see my dad in Hassocks this weekend so will attempt to find this memorial. Last time I went down, the church was undergoing some renovation so hopefully it will all be accessible.
Regards
Sean
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Thank you both! Much appreciated. This is one - as well as being part of my family tree is part of my dissertation which is keeping me very well occupied. ;D
Kerry
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The monument actually says: to the memory of Elizabeth, wife of John Thorp, of Cudworth in Newdigate Esq who died aet. suae 29 (which I think I have worked out was that she was 29 when she died or at least that fits) AD 1624. On her monument there should be some Arms one in particular with Argent, three stags heads caboshed sable which should link her to her husband's grandmother ando this appears to be the only evidence that this girl was her grandmother - no marriage found to date!
The book that I am reading this from mentions the monument being in the chancel but it was written some 100 years ago so....
Hope that helps you to find it :)
Kerry
PS you will get a mention in my dissertation - there's bribery for you!!!!
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What course are you doing Kerry?
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The University of Strathclyde Masters in Genealogy, Palaeographic and Heraldic studies. My third and final year - the dissertation year and mine is all about Sussex Ironmasters 1500 to 1750.
Kerry
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;D Hi Kerry,
Just seen this so a bit late to offer (I'm from Burgess Hill) but am interested in your dissertation subject. Have you come across the Isted family - iron masters in East Sussex and Surrey, employing people from France during your time frame - possibly earlier...
Liz
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Hi Liz
Not really although I think I have seen the name Isted mentioned somewhere. Its not one of my six families I am case studying. If I come across anything in the course of my much reading I will let you know, do you have any particular names?
Also have you seen the Wealden Iron Research Database website http://www.wirgdata.org/ If you check the Search people facility there may be some on there. It is a really useful website!
Kerry :)
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Which families are you doing? There were lots around Cuckfield and the museum has some info about them.
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Thorps, Collins, Barham, Pelham, Akehurst and Infield. Not sure any of them are from the Cuckfield area but I've only just started the genealogy. Has Cuckfield got any iron working exhibits? I know quite a few Sussex museums have and could be worth a visit.
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Good evening,
Another well known family of ironmasters in Sussex were the Fullers of Heathfield. This is probably the most well known; http://johnmadjackfuller.homestead.com/ . There is a link at the top to his genealogy and other subjects.
John915
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Cuckfield Museum has only a small case on iron working but does have several books, including the Sussex Archaeological series which have numerous references to iron masters Some of them are online but the early ones aren't as far as I know.
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Hi John
I deliberately didn't pick the Fuller family as there is so much written about them and I wanted to do some families where there is information but not quite so well known and already done. I have a Fuller in my tree and despite my grandmother swearing blind she was descended from Mad Jack, she's not and I have not found a link between our Fuller and him as yet.
Andrea - this site http://leweshistory.org.uk/research-resources/lewes-history-group-bibliography/sussex-archaeological-collections-digitised-volumes/ has some of the earlier editions online but they are online through Google so you can't save any pages.
Kerry
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Good evening Kerry,
I too have Fullers in my tree, my middle name is Fuller. We too were brought up in the knowledge that we were descended from "Mad Jack" Not true it appears unless the story that he had an illegitimate child with his house keeper is true.
I would be interested to know a bit about your line of Fullers. See if we have some in common.
John915
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A couple of old ladies doing the flower arranging helped me out by searching for the memorial. It was surrounded by memorials to the Borer family so don't know if there is a link there.
http://sdrv.ms/182FAxt
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Wow! thank you Swebby, that is some memorial.
Who needs parish registers when you can have memorials that not only confirm your father but your children as well!
And it definitely has the Bowett coat of arms too.
Kerry :)
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Hi John
My Fuller was John Fuller born 1813 in Brightling to Rose Fuller and Priscilla Blackman. He married Ellen Augusta Harmer, whose illegitimate son James Frederick Samuel Harmer was my 2 x great grandfather. I haven't done that much research into the Fullers but have seen some trees which don't seem to link with Mad Jack.
Kerry
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Good evening Kerry,
Found your John Fuller on "Mad Jacks" genealogy pages. Ellen was his 3rd wife and they had a further 6 legitimate children. I assume therefore that your 2xggrandfather was born while he was on his 2nd marriage which produced no children (4 from 1st marriage).
You can go back 6 generations on there but no link to mine as far as I can see.
John915
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Thanks for the link John, the Fuller genealogy has been updated since the last time I looked. Shall add that to my list of people to look at further. I knew about John's two previous marriages, I think that was the research I had done on him a few years ago.
Shall dig out my file.
Kerry
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Hi Kerry,
Also have you seen the Wealden Iron Research Database website http://www.wirgdata.org/
Thanks for the link - very interesting - I hadn't come across that site before.
I have just done a quick search and discovered an ancestor who was indicted for murder :o and it also gives the background of another ancestor who I have long believed must have been French but I had no real evidence - so lots to explore there! :)
Liz
PS The names we are interested in: Isted, Penfold, Pinion, Praye, Marten.