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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: saw119 on Sunday 24 November 13 18:59 GMT (UK)
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Ok so Ive never had cause to use Irish records before so I hope someone can help me or at least point me in the right direction. Im trying to trace a marriage between a soldier, Kings Dragoon Guards, and a Dublin girl sometime in the 1810 to 1814 period (roughly). The name of the soldier is Thomas Sands and all I know of the girl is her first names are Ann Rebecca but maiden name unknown. She would have been born around 1796.
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Irish statutory records didn't start until about 1864, so they'll be no help. Do you know anything else at all about these people? If you are looking for a marriage prior to the statutory start date you need to have a clue about the parish that the marriage took place in.
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Also, for what it is worth, there is a mention of a Sgt. Thomas Sands Kings Dragoon Guards on the medal rolls for Waterloo. He did 22 years with them and he is believed to be one and the same as the Thomas Sands who subsequently served for 24 years in the 1st West Yorkshire Yeomanry and died in Sheffield at the age of 67. His dates are given as born 1783 and died 1850. He is buried in Sheffield general cemetery. Have looked for him in the 1841 census to see if I can find him married to a Mary Rebecca from Dublin but no luck so far.
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I've found them in 1841 in Sheffield. Thomas is described as a pensioner (could be army pensioner) and he is living with Ann, William, Harriet, Sarah and Mary. Ann is shown as born in Ireland.
In 1851, Ann is shown as Ann Rebecca, Widow, and she is living in Louisiana Place, Nether Hallam Yorkshire. She has two of her daughters with her, one married with husband and child. Ann is shown as born in Dublin this time.
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according to his service record he was b 1787 in the parish of Kirby Mallorey,,near Hinckley in Liecestershire.
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Thanks for your replies but I was aware of all that information already. Just wanted to see if it was possible to trace the wedding now I've gotten this far.
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Ah.
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Hi
It is quite difficult looking for records this early.
There are a few sites that are helpful in looking for older records -
www.irishgenealogy.ie -
a lot of older church records on this site I checked it out for
Thomas Sands there are a few listed but the dates don't tie in. I also looked for any
Ann Rebecca and only one baptism for an Ann Rebecca Dooley. This won't help as you don't
know Ann Rebecca's maiden name. Church records are constantly being added to this site so
it is worth checking them from time to time to see if Thomas shows up in the future. This site
is sponsored by the Irish Government.
www.igp-web.com/archives This is a very useful site with lots of records submitted by volunteers
I had a look no marriages for Thomas and Ann R.
Nick Reddan has a very useful newspaper index site just enter nick reddan's newspaper index in google search and it's the first site that pops up. I also looked at this and while there are some
entries for "Sands" none for the marriage of Thomas and Ann R.
Also a paying site which I reluctantly mention www.rootsireland.ie I had a look at that also and while there were 25 marriages for Thomas Sands only one in Dublin and I entered the year 1810 with 10 years either side and no marriage for him in that time frame.
I also had a look at the Rosemary Ffolliot newspaper index which is held at the Cork City library and
again no luck for Thomas. Generally it was the gentry who placed announcements in the newspapers.
What about his army record held at Kew, in London. His marriage details would be held in his
record. However you do need to have his service number.
Other than the above I can't think of any other sources at the moment that might help you.
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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Thanks for the list of resources. It looks like a long shot but I'll keep plugging away and maybe something will turn up one day.
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You might do some research to find out where the Kings Dragoon Guards were posted in 1810-1814.
I take it that you are assuming that just because she was born in Dublin, they must have married there. That may not be the case at all. She may have moved to England and met him there. If you find out that the KDG were nowhere near Dublin during the years in question that would would open up your enquiries to find the marriage, particularly in the area where the guards were at that time.
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That's a good idea. I'll try approaching it from that direction until I've eliminated all the possibilities.
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I can help with the KDG - I'm researching a private. Carole Divall, WONDEFUL woman and military author, looked this up in the Kew records.
KDG 1811
2nd November: STATIONS: Ireland. The regiment reviewed by Major General Mitchell at Dundalk.
29th December: The regiment marched from Dundalk to Dublin.
KDG 1812
12th March: STATIONS: Ireland.
Warrant dated this day: Alteration of Horse Appointments. Leathers Brown, and saddle pad divided. Cocked hats abolished and replaced by Helmets with Long Horse hair tail. An alteration was made in the establishment. The 12 Troop Quartermasters were replaced by a Regimental Quartermaster (James Scott) and 12 Troop Sgt Majors, and 1 School Master Sgt. The total establishment was at this period 46 Commissioned Officers, and one thousand and thirty seven attested soldiers. Establishment: 1 Colonel. 1 Lt. Colonel. 2 Majors. 12 Captains. 12 Lieutenants. 12 Cornets. 1 Paymaster. 1 Regimental Quartermaster. 1 Surgeon. 2 Assistant Surgeons. 1 Veterinary Surgeon. 1 Regimental Sgt Major. 2 Troop Sgt Majors. 1 Paymaster Sgt. 1 Saddler Sgt. 1 Armourer Sgt. 1 Schoolmaster Sgt. 48 Sgt's. 12 Trumpeters. 960 rank and file. 916 Horses.
12th June: The regiment reviewed by Major General O'Loughlin at Dublin.
17th August: The Warrant dated 12 March 1812 is cancelled by Warrant dated 17 August 1812. Appointments; Leathers Brown, and saddle divided. Narrow waist belts without bayonet frogs. Cocked hats abolished, replaced by helmets. Leggings abolished. One pair of boots to be issued to each man every three and a half years. Leather breeches and other articles of necessaries discontinued.
7th September: The regiment marched from Dublin to Clonmel.
14th October: Head Quarter Troops at Clonmel inspected by Major General Lee.
KDG 1813
27th January: STATIONS: Ireland. Sir, David Dundas appointed Colonel of the regiment, vice,Lord Heathfield.
27th April: The Post Boy conveying His Majesty's mail from Clonmel to Limerick having been robbed on two successive nights the Post Master applied for a mounted escort. Troopers Joseph Englefield and Abraham Cook from the regiment were ordered to that duty. They succeeded in securing two men of a desperate and well-armed gang who had long infested the neighbourhood. The two Dragoons received the thanks of the Magistrates and a reward of £10 each.
12th May: The Head Quarter Troops, Captains, Graham's, and Fairholms Troops, inspected by Major General Lee.
28th May: A detachment of 1 Corporal and 17 Troopers, and 18 horses embarked at Cork for a particular service on the Peninsula.
19th June: Augmented four boys per Troop. Total establishment one thousand and eighty five as per War Office letter dated 19 June 1813.
4th October: The Head Quarter Troops, Majors Graham's, and Gores Troops inspected by Major General Lee.
25th December: Alteration in Officers and Men’s clothing. Narrow cross barred lace taken away. Plush breeches abolished and replaced by web. Short gloves commenced.
KDG 1814
25th July: STATIONS: Ireland. The Establishment of the Regiment to be reduced so as to consist of the following numbers. Ten Troops. 1 Colonel. 1 Lt. Colonel. 2 Majors. 10 Captains. 10 Lieutenants. 10 Cornets. 1 Paymaster. 1 Regimental Quartermaster. 1 Surgeon. 1 Assistant Surgeon. 1 Veterinary Surgeon. 1 Regimental Sgt Major. 10 Troop Sgt Majors. 1 Paymaster Sgt. 1 Saddler Sgt. 1 Armourer Sgt. 1 School Master Sgt. 30 Sgt's. 30 Cpl's. 1 Trumpet Major. 9 Trumpeters. 470 Dragoons Mounted. 100 Dragoons dismounted. 10 Farriers. 20 Lads or Boys dismounted. Total 726. 565 Troop horses, including those for the Non Commissioned Officers, and Trumpeters. Captain's Dawson's, and Bernard's Troops broken up. The two junior Lieutenants, viz. Hawley, and Branden, remain as Cornets, with the rank of Lieutenants.
30th August: Discharged and not recommended; Sgt nil. Cpl 2. Farriers nil. Dragoons 137.
28th September: Discharged and recommended; Sgt 12. Cpl 3. Farriers 2 Dragoons 160. (reduction).
26th October: Discharged and recommended; Sgt 1. Cpl nil Farriers nil Dragoons nil. (reduction). Head Quarter Troops marched from Clonmel to Cork to Embark for England. 2 Troops from Fethard, 1 to Bandon, and 1 to Fermoy. 1 Troop from Carrik to Clogheen, and 1 from Gort to Limerick.
26th October: Head Quarter Troops at Cork inspected by Major General Forbes.
13th November: 13, 14, 15 November 1814 Seven Troops embarked at the Cove of Cork for Bristol.
24th November: Seven Troops disembarked at Bristol no casualties.
25th November: 4 Troops marched from Bristol, 2 to Coventry, and 2 to Leicester.
26th November: 3 Troops marched from Bristol, 2 to Coventry, and 1 to Warwick.
Hope this helps!