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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: jettejjane on Saturday 23 November 13 21:47 GMT (UK)
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Once again I am seeking help from any wise owls out there!
How can I find the house of my Gt.Gt. grandad in the town I live in! Have the road name on 1841 -1861 census. No number. Would love to find it.
Also gt.grandad had shop in town can't find where that was either.
Would there be records anywhere?
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House numbering often didn't take place until the 1850s/60s. For the shop you could try http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp (http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp) though it takes a bit of time to get used to searching etc. Why not share the details and see what people come up with?
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One of the ways to do this is to follow the enumerator along his route and look for named houses, pubs or churches that still exist. You can then count houses until you get to the one you want and hope that nobody has built more or pulled any down! Is there a local museum or history society who might help you?
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Thank you petmas and sillgen. I have tried museum society-no joy. Will try the site you mentioned. Found shop in Kelly's directory but only had street name and no number.
Regarding the house never thought of looking for named houses to help locate mine! But for that I would need the complete census, I only have one page showing my ancestors house'
Foe years I thought I had house number but the number on the census for the house was the census entry number!
Because I live in town I have a rough idea where both properties could be, but can't confirm info.
Bit pushed for time so this is quick reply. I will post more info about family and location later. Shall I follow this thread or start a new one?
Cheers Jane
I know the location of all rellies houses from about late 1800,s to present day. This search has been on going for years and is so frustrating!
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Hi Jane :)
Do you know about this site, it may be useful to you
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html
Also, have you tried the new records office at Lewes, they may well have an old map of the area.
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We would all love to help, but at the moment you seem to be keeping the town, the street and house/shop name, and the name of the person who resided/traded there all those years ago, a secret. That does make it rather difficult.
With a bit more info, we could perhaps direct you to an early advert in a trade directory, voting list, ordnance survey map or even photo that actually showed the property.
Roy G
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Hi
Like Roy give what you have and we can help
I have Findmypast and i can Search census by Address
so ???
Regards
Westmorland
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Sorry guys. Not meaning to be secretive. But there is so much to tell don't know where to start. No time at moment running out charge on kindle. Will post more details tomorrow. Sort out what need to say in few words.
Thanks for replies.
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Hi guys,
Back with more info. The house in mount pleasant/king street, Arundel
George and Mary Redman. On 1841 and 1851 census. George died Mary remarried on 1861 census still lived mount pleasant, husband William Leavy. No numbers on census! Then she and husband moved to Bond Street Arundel.
Next we move on to William Charles Redman his son. Lived in Tarrant street Arundel and had a bootmakers shop. 1891 and 1901 census lived on Tarrant st with family..Once again no numbers on census. Possibly lived in a house and had separate shop. In 1911 had moved to Maltravers Street.
All I am interested in is finding the houses if they still exist. I know everything about George and William Charles.
I collect books on Arundel maps etc but they cannot help.
This is a brief version of my needs could say that lot more. Know my family inside out, need to place houses.
Any questions just ask.
Jane
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Starting with the 1901 Tarrant street census for WilliamRedman I see a) he says he works at home, so I dont think there is a separate shop anywhere else and b) it seems to be 2 doors from the "heart and hands" tavern, which may help, and in the otbher direction (next page of census) it is 3 doors from "manse and congregational chapel".
Hopefully either or both of those landmarks may help you place it, if not exactly, at least to what part of the road.
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This might help
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_Congregational_Church,_Arundel
Or this
http://www.george-macdonald.com/photos/arundel.html
And thenf for heart and hand -
http://pubshistory.com/SussexPubs/Arundel/HeartinHand.shtml
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In 1861 the family in Mount pleasant are 2 households before it changes to Poorhouse Hill.
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Liz I can't thank you enough. Your first reply confirms where I thought it might be! I now know the house it is still there. Its a lovely property!!
With the rest of the census it is easier! Brilliant!
We in Arundel still call Mount Pleasant poor house hill! Well the older ones like me do! That's because of the workhouse that used to be there. When you say 2 households what do you mean? I know where the workhouse was its now expensive flats. It used to be youth club I frequented in youth!!!
Is there house near there!
You are fantastic thank you so so much.
Cheers Jane
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On the 1907 map the chapel is on the corner of Tarrant & Arun Streets. Might be worth checking to see is Alan Godfrey have a copy of the area, they produce maps of 1:10K or 25k which show individual properties
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When you say 2 households what do you mean?
Take another look at that 1861 census. You will see that for several pages the address has been "Mount Pleasant", and that is still the address used for the Leaveys house.
But a couple of entries later, presumably houses or at least a'household', so you cant rule out more than one family per house, the enumerator starts using the address of "poorhouse hill" for them. So I wondered if this change marked a particular junction or something, and so would give you a clue as to what part of Mount Pleasant the Leaveys lived in. As it appears to be a long road.
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Thanks to everyone.
This reply is for you Petmas not worked out how to put your quote in yet!
The chapel on corner of Tarrant Street/Arun Street is not the Congregational church mentioned previously, that is a lot further down Tarrant Street nearer the High Street End.
It is 65 Tarrant Street and was a 17th century Quaker Meeting Place/Chapel. And how do I know that? I lived there!! After the war it was an electrical shop where my father worked, my Grandfather Archibald Charles Redman bought it and my Dad (William Jupp Redman) ran it. It came with the house next door No 63 but was one big house not separate. We moved there in early 60's when I was 8. and remained until about mid 70's. I have several really old photos of it. We also had a grave in the back garden and although I am not a believer the house was haunted! I have all the history of the property. I am now going off on a tangent, sorry.
I am very passionate about my Redman Ancestors and so lucky that documents have been handed down generation to generation. The earliest I have is 1828 marriage of George and Mary. Since my fathers death I am the keeper. I have knowledge of all my Redmans who lived in and around Arundel and my aim is now to find their houses!
I am really very grateful for every reply and you have all helped in some way. A big thank you to all on this wonderful site.
Jane
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Are you a member of the Sussex Family History group? You may well get further back using their online baptisms etc.
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Silgen and everyone,
I have looked into SFHG and am undecided. I have got back to 1720 with help from Roots Chat, I am only going back down the direct Male Redman Line from George back at the moment. But I have researched all the female Redmans from Gt x 2 Grandad George to date. I am lucky I had such a good start with all the family papers and certificates handed down from generation to generation and also Dad and Grandad loved talking about the family. My Uncle Dads brother is also a great help with his memories. I am doing this for him as well. We are the only 2 in the family interested in our ancestors and have the same passion.
The icing on the cake has been finding a 3rd cousin in Canada and being given access to her tree on ancestory. This was thanks to RootsChat. We both share Gt x Grandad George but she is from a female Redman and her tree is vast, she has researched over 2000 people! We help each other its fantastic.
Must go, house searching this afternoon!
I know I am repeating myself but it was a great day when I discovered this site and you have all been so helpful.
Cheers to you all, I owe you, Jane