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General => Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing => Topic started by: pffog on Saturday 23 November 13 00:22 GMT (UK)
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I'm aware of three haplogroup I test results from the Chromo2 test offered by BritainsDNA, ScotlandsDNA and IrelandsDNA. This test offers a rich series of news markers for haplogroup I. However, the new markers can only be useful when comparing test kits. Please let me know if you've taken or received results from the Chromo2 test. Thanks,
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Chromo2 is producing a rich supply of new SNPs within haplogroup I. However, positioning of these new SNPs is only possible by comparing test results.
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Hi pgo? You'll find most Haplogroup I people on a DNA board like this:-
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Hi, yes, I've previously posted a query about Chromo2 on Anthrogenica in the Haplogroup I forum. I know that over 200 Haplogroup I Chromo2 kit results were recently released. However, finding them is a problem. Without a comparison between kits, the results are really just SNP names that have no context. Chromo2 has identified so many new Haplogroup I SNPs that I believe the results can narrow the window of when a surname was adopted to within a couple hundred years.
If you've taken a Chromo2 test (BritainsDNA, ScotlandsDNA, or IrelandsDNA), please post a reply here or email me at philgoff at carolina.rr.com. Thanks,
Phil
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Whoops! Sorry, didn't see you had already posted there.
Chromo2 has identified so many new Haplogroup I SNPs that I believe the results can narrow the window of when a surname was adopted to within a couple hundred years.
Yes it will be interesting to see the average timespan between each SNP. The closer they are the more finely we can differentiate between the relationships between people.
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For example, my results (previously I-Z140*) have been compared with someone who splits with me at Z58. Setting aside Z59, Z60 and Z140, I have 22 new SNPs from BritainsDNA. Some of these may have happened between Z58 and Z140, but I think it is likely that most are downstream of Z140. I've previously tested all known downstream SNPs from Z140 and was ancestral. These new Chromo2 results appear to add a lot of definition.
I urge participation in Chromo2 for those in Haplogroup I. Dr. Wilson has stated and the results support that the Chromo2 chip is rich in new SNPs for Haplogroup I. For £129, this is a real bargain for nearly 15,000 SNPs.
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If anyone has done a Chromo 2 test I would very much like to have a review with screenshots for my blog, preferably of the version with the haplogroup stories and charts. Please send me a message via Rootschat if you would be willing to share your results.
Note that in addition to the Chromo 2 test there are now two companies who offer comprehensive Y-chromosome sequencing which will allow us to discover many more SNPs. For a comparison of all the different tests see the ISOGG SNP testing chart:
http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_SNP_testing_chart
We won't know how the products compare and which test will yield the best results for individual haplogroups until results are available from all the tests, probably some time in February or March next year.
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Hi, I'm willing to share but it may take a week or two as due tosome other upcoming commitments.
Phil Goff
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Thanks Phil. Let me know when you're ready. It may someone else will come forward in the meantime but if people have different perspectives then that would also be worth covering.
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Hi. I have just received my Chromo2 results from ScotlandsDNA but have not yet got access to the raw data. I am Haplogroup I-M253 Subtype I-S337. I am willing to share the raw data when it becomes available.
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Hi. I have just received my Chromo2 results from ScotlandsDNA but have not yet got access to the raw data. I am Haplogroup I-M253 Subtype I-S337.
I take it this is for your Mather line. Do your Hamiltons include Alexander Hamilton ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton ) who was also supposedly an M253.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M253 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M253)
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I take it this is for your Mather line. Do your Hamiltons include Alexander Hamilton ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton ) who was also supposedly an M253.
Yes this is my Mather line which I have gone back 6 generations. The mother of John Mather (4 generations back) was a Janet Hamilton. Her paternal line goes back to Robert Hamilton born circa 1715 in Lesmahagow. No connection to Alexander Hamilton.
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Hi. I have just received my Chromo2 results from ScotlandsDNA but have not yet got access to the raw data. I am Haplogroup I-M253 Subtype I-S337. I am willing to share the raw data when it becomes available.
You need to contact Ken Nordtvedt as he is the haplogroup I expert. There's been some discussion of Chromo 2 results on the haplogroup I list on Rootsweb.
I suggest you join this list and find out more there or e-mail Ken direct.
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My brother had the Chromo 2 DNA test done with Scotland's DNA several months ago. The results are in, however I don't know how to interpret the markers. Is there a way to upload the results to GEDmatch.com or is Scotland'sDNA in the process of doing a similar interpretive "match" of our results? Thank you! He/we are S1b-S145 Pretani Teresa
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S145 is the ScotlandsDNA name for a SNP which is more commonly known as L21. I suggest you ask for help on the L21 mailing list on Yahoo:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/R1b-L21-Project/info
ScotlandsDNA do not have a matching database. If your brother wants to use his Y-DNA for matching purposes he would need to get a different type of Y-DNA test done which looks at different markers known as STR markers (STR = short tandem repeat). The company to test with is Family Tree DNA who have the world's largest Y-chromosome database. At FTDNA he could join the relevant surname, geographical and haplogroup projects. There is an L21 project at FTDNA and they would be able to use his Chromo 2 results in combination with his STR results to determine his place on the L21 tree:
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L21/
The 37-marker test is the standard entry-level test, but for deep ancestry purposes it's more useful to test at 67 markers. You get a discount if you test in a project. FTDNA usually have a sale in the summer and again at Christmas. You will find additional information in the ISOGG Wiki:
http://www.isogg.org/wiki/
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Thank you for such an informative answer! I'm sort of new to all this and didn't understand the parameters of ScotlandsDNA. You've been most helpful!!
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Hi, I'm new to this DNA testing.
I attended WDYTYR Live in February and got my father to have a Chromo2 test with Britains DNA -both fatherline and motherline, my daughter started off with All My Ancestry and we have just upgraded to the mtDNA - the results are in.
My father falls into YDNA Haplogroup I-M253, subtype I-S10967 (Teutonic)
mtDNA Haplogroup K, subtype K2a (Levantine)
My daughters mtDNA Haplogroup is H, subtype H39 (Pioneers)
If anyone has any information, can help with what all this means (!) please get in touch. I would like to know more.
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The tests you've taken with BritainsDNA are deep ancestry tests and can't be used for genealogy purposes. You have been given information about your paternal and maternal haplogroups. A haplogroup is your branch on the human Y-DNA or mtDNA tree. Ignore the names (Teutonic, etc) as they are just nicknames and don't have any scientific value. You can, however, read up on your haplogroups to learn more about your deep ancestry.
You'll find information on the various haplogroups on Eupedia:
http://www.eupedia.com/genetics/
If you wish to use DNA results for genealogy purposes then you would need to get a genetic genealogy test done with Family Tree DNA who have a large worldwide matching database and projects for surnames and all the different haplogroups. However, the Chromo 2 results aren't compatible because they don't test the same range or type of markers.
I-M253 is also known as haplogroup I1. You might like to join the haplogroup I mailing list where they might be able to give you advice:
http://lists5.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I.html
ISOGG maintain the Y-DNA tree and you can find the tree here:
http://www.isogg.org/tree/
I can't find the marker S10967 on the tree so it must be a newly discovered SNP that hasn't yet been listed. The haplogroup I list should be able to tell you more about it.
You might also like to contact the admins of the haplogroup I1 Project at Family Tree DNA as they might well be collecting Chromo 2 SNP data.
The mtDNA tree can be found on the Phylotree website:
http://www.phylotree.org/
The haplogroup K expert is Bill Hurst who runs the haplogroup K project at Family Tree DNA:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/mtDNA_K
You can look at the project results to get an idea of the distribution of K2a. I'm not sure if Bill is collecting Chromo 2 results.
There is an active haplogroup H group on Facebook where you would be able to ask for information about H39:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/396615513748743/
It's too late now but you would have been better off doing a full mitochondrial sequence test at FTDNA, which sequences all 16,569 base pairs in the mtGenome. The Chromo 2 mtDNA test covers around 3000 base pairs, but is much more expensive. However, unless you want to use the mtDNA tests for genealogical purposes then it's not worth re-testing.
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Hi. I have just received my Chromo2 results from ScotlandsDNA but have not yet got access to the raw data. I am Haplogroup I-M253 Subtype I-S337. I am willing to share the raw data when it becomes available.
Hello Mr W Mather
I'm Admin for various I1-M253, Z140 and surname Projects. We have a Facebook Z140 Project that you are warmly invited to join. It includes many F2642+ Y1884/S2158+ like yourself. ;) plenty of close genetic kin. I am Y1884/S2158+ myself, plus I've tested another two subgroups down from there.
Hope to see you soon at: groups/I1.Z140.YDNA.Project. Or send me a private message if you prefer.
Kind regards
William Hartley
FTDNA YFull YSEQ Admin. I1-M253, Z140 and surname Projects
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I tested with Britains DNA. I am I M253/S246.
Cheers, Ade.