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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Jessies Mum on Tuesday 19 November 13 23:09 GMT (UK)
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Wondering if anyone is able to locate either the death registration number for a certificate or the gravesite / burial location of John Mayer. He died at the Bendigo District Hospital on 3 January 1881. He was born in Scotland and his wife was Margaret who made a claim (in Scotland) on his estate (in Australia) in December 1881. An article has been provided showing that his possessions were sold by auction in September 1881.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5975743?searchTerm=John+Mayer%2c+Broadmeadows%2c+1881
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No "Mayer" or "Mayers" listed for the Bendigo Cemetery ..
How about a long-shot ? MYERS, JOHN MCINARMAY
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Wondering if anyone is able to locate either the death registration number for a certificate or the gravesite / burial location of John Mayer. He died at the Bendigo District Hospital on 3 January 1881. He was born in Scotland and his wife was Margaret who made a claim (in Scotland) on his estate (in Australia) in December 1881. An article has been provided showing that his possessions were sold by auction in September 1881.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5975743?searchTerm=John+Mayer%2c+Broadmeadows%2c+1881
There is not a death registered in Victoria for John MAYER in 1881
This is the only registration in the name between 1856 and 1888
MAYER John
Spouse Surname/FatherJno
Mother Mary Ann EVERSON
Age 27
Death Place KEW
Year 1886
Reg 9599
Sue
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No "Mayer" or "Mayers" listed for the Bendigo Cemetery ..
How about a long-shot ? MYERS, JOHN MCINARMAY
A tad young to have a wife and an estate.
Death
MYERS John
Father John Mother Nancy McINERNEY
At Sandhurst 1881 20 years Reg#8735
Cando
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http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/
MAYER, John.
Epsom Sandhurst
Gazetted 4 Mar 1881 Victoria Government Gazette Page 686
Comment Estates of Deceased Persons
MAYER John.
Epsom, Sandhurst, Victoria
Gazetted 3 Feb 1882 Victoria Government Gazette Page 240
Comment Estates of Deceased Persons
Cando
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He died at the Bendigo District Hospital on 3 January 1881.
I guess you have sourced those details from the many online trees which claim he was born c1833 Scotland.
A copy of the parish record for his marriage shows his parents to be John MAYER and Ann McCULLOCH.
I did read a number of years ago that there were missing bdm's that didn't reach the Victorian Registry so perhaps your John's is one of those.
Cando
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Not sure where the person I am searching this information for got the information from - was just advised those were the details. Will ask and seek more information from them if possible (they are in the UK).
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There are online trees with this info...perhaps that is where the information was sourced and probably copied from tree to tree.
I did read a number of years ago that there were missing bdm's that didn't reach the Victorian Registry so perhaps your John's is one of those.
I suggest you contact one of the Bendigo groups for help. Research involves fees. Read their websites for further info.
Bendigo Regional Genealogical Society
PO Box 1049 Bendigo Victoria 3552
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~brgs/
brgs2[at]hotmail.com
Bendigo Family History Group
PO Box 145 Bendigo Victoria 3552
http://www.bendigofamilyhistory.org
bendigogen[at]gmail.com
Cando
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Thanks Cando ;D
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I have received this information from the family who are searching:
His wife Margaret (in Scotland) made a successful claim on his estate (as he didn't leave a Will) in December 1881 and mention is made of him owning a home in these records, although the only address details it gives is that it was located in Victoria. A newspaper advertises that his possessions were sold by auction on 27 September 1881.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5975743?searchTerm=John+Mayer%2C+Broadmeadows%2C+1881
(Top of page, 3rd auction advert along).
The following is info about the progress of the settlement of his estate from the Victorian Government Gazette records below. From what we can see, he lived in Epsom, Sandhurst and therefore was probably involved with the Bendigo Pottery as his occupation in Scotland (where he was born and married) was that of a Journeyman Potter.
1. March 4 1881 – see p12 of doc (p686) – ref # 12 gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1881/V/general/19.pdf
2. September 2 1881 – see p5 of doc (p2527) – ref #189
gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1881/V/general/96.pdf
3. Feb 3 1882 – see p10 of doc (p240) – ref #180
gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1882/V/general/11.pdf
4. Aug 17 1883 – see p8 of doc (p1852) – ref #212
gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1883/V/general/80.pdf
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http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/
MAYER, John.
Epsom Sandhurst
Gazetted 4 Mar 1881 Victoria Government Gazette Page 686
Comment Estates of Deceased Persons
MAYER John.
Epsom, Sandhurst, Victoria
Gazetted 3 Feb 1882 Victoria Government Gazette Page 240
Comment Estates of Deceased Persons
Cando
Jessies Mum....I gave you two of those Victorian gazette notices with references for you to look them up. Yes he died intestate and his possessions along with the assets of 28 other peoples estates, were advertised for auction. The assets of the estates did not mention real estate. If I recall his estate was valued at around $45. I did look up the Gazettes previously and really nothing other than the estimated value in the first reference and the residual in the last reference all in table form with other peoples' estates.
I assume the information that John died in Bendigo Hospital came from those you are helping?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0x63/
Notice to administer
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0x64/
One of four advertisements to auction assets of a number of estates including John MAYER’s.
Have you contacted either of the Bendigo groups that I listed? One of the groups may be able to help you with death and cemetery info.
Cando
Edit to add links
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That's right Cando - thanks. Was just posting all of the information I had received from England for the person I am researching and did not want to miss anything out - sorry if I doubled up, but would prefer to than not.
Yes, have emailed the second Bendigo group as the first group only accepts snail mail. So am waiting to hear.
Have also contacted the family again I am searching for to seek where they had this information confirmed.
Thanks.
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Not so much doubling up...I wondered if you had looked at the gazette.
Late of Epsom, Bendigo doesn't necessarily mean he died at Bendigo. I understand it to mean that Epsom was his last place of residence. Perhaps I am wrong about this.
Cheers :)
Cando
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It would appear that his youngest child, Louisa Florence Livingstone MAYER was born in 1879.
Do you know the story behind John emigrating to Victoria, possibly gaining employment and purchasing a home? Was his wife and family intending to join him?
Cando
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His wife Margaret (in Scotland) made a successful claim on his estate (as he didn't leave a Will) in December 1881 and mention is made of him owning a home in these records, although the only address details it gives is that it was located in Victoria. A newspaper advertises that his possessions were sold by auction on 27 September 1881
Have you read his Probate files at PROV?
There is no mention of him owing a home or any real estate, nor of them selling any of his possessions. Only that he had money in a savings account.
It also states that Henry S Palmer, Superintendent of Police at Sandhurst informed the Curator of Estates & believed that John Mayer late of Epson, Sandhurst died 3 Jan 1881 at Bendigo District Hospital.
John MAYOR
Occpation: Labourer
Residence: Epsom
DoD: 3 Jan 1881
File No: 21/499
Record No: VPRS 28/P0, unit 247; VPRS 28/P2, unit 112
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
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His wife Margaret (in Scotland) made a successful claim on his estate (as he didn't leave a Will) in December 1881 and mention is made of him owning a home in these records, although the only address details it gives is that it was located in Victoria. A newspaper advertises that his possessions were sold by auction on 27 September 1881
Have you read his Probate files at PROV?
There is no mention of him owing a home or any real estate, nor of them selling any of his possessions. Only that he had money in a savings account.
It also states that Henry S Palmer, Superintendent of Police at Sandhurst informed the Curator of Estates & believed that John Mayer late of Epson, Sandhurst died 3 Jan 1881 at Bendigo District Hospital.
John MAYOR
Occpation: Labourer
Residence: Epsom
DoD: 3 Jan 1881
File No: 21/499
Record No: VPRS 28/P0, unit 247; VPRS 28/P2, unit 112
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
It is also clear in these documents that there was no need for Margaret to "make a claim" because she was known from the outset to be his rightful inheritor, along with his eight children whose names are listed.
One wonders, in the absence of a will, how the details of his children's names were known. It is mentioned that their exact ages are not ascertained.
My suspicion is there was a relative with him in the district who knew his family details. :)
Sue
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It would appear that his youngest child, Louisa Florence Livingstone MAYER was born in 1879.
This child is not mentioned in the file.
If I recall his estate was valued at around $45.
Plus a few pence and all cash in the bank so no house and he was a labourer.
Family stories certainly become skewed over the years :)
Cando
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That is classic information Cando, thank you - cannot wait to send it all on to England and get their responses! FANTASTIC help as always :)
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Jessies Mum credit is due to Merlin for spotting the mistranscribed name on the Wills and Admons Index :)...I simply read the file.
Cheers
Cando
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Sorry for the oversight Merlin, sincere thanks to you too ;D