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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: miggs 191 on Tuesday 19 November 13 18:34 GMT (UK)
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Thought I had better start a new thread. I am awaiting birth ,death and marriage certs for a William John Neate Perry but have seen on Roots Chat that others are linking Perry and Neate to All Cannings.
I know it is just outside Devizes , on the Southbroom side I believe , and wondered if any one else has a Perry /Neate connection. I have been to Devizes but never to All Cannings so I guess that needs to be the next trip. Any info. gratefully received. As always thank you.
M. ???
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Hi miggs,
I don't know what timescale your looking at, but have you considered contacting the
Wilts On-Line parish clerk - they may have something of interest for you.
You can go to them at this address;
http://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/genealogy/index.php/parish-directory/item/20-all-cannings
There is reference to a Will of Thomas Neate the Elder.
There are also transcriptions of bapts., marriages & burials
Alan
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There is also some info on GenUKI?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WIL/AllCannings/index.shtml
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the Neate family can be found all around that general area...... All Cannings Bishops Cannings, Devizes ........ and as far as Broadchalk Urchfont and Bishopstone that I can remember. I would suggest going to the Wiltshire County Council website found in google , add probates and the search engine should come up on top of the list..... enter Neate without a place to give u an idea of the scop of villages they are found..... Kit Withers has a freepage on ancestry that also discussed the Neate family....they are an extremely old family in Wiltshire.
i am not certain of the links anymore, but I used to find old land documents etc for that region through the British National Archives search engine, which linked to sources in Wiltshire.
:)
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having gone away and looked at a few things> I think you need to consider the following pdf
https://archive.org/details/registersofbisho00bish which has all of the main Neat/ Neate entries in it for the region.......
and funnily enuff it is written by wait for it.........
Joseph Henry Parry....... and I was going to say your Perry lineage for Wiltshire would have been Parry in earlier times.
pertaining of this search I would consider using family search.org as their coverage for this area of Wilts is quite good........
The Neate family are mentioned quite a lot in the Devizes not only as churchwardens but tradefolk such as carpenters thatchers and yeomen.
Some quick checking did reveal they were in fact members of the Quakers in the Calne branch and their history is mentioned in the History of Wiltshire notes volumes 3 6 and 7.
As previously mentioned the Neate family is mentioned on Kit Withers forum posts and I saw the original entries in the book discribed above.. so at the end of the day they are related to the Shergolds.......................... :) and me
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If you find you have Neate connections to the Calne area that married into the Henly family then would be interested to hear from you.
I was born not too far away from All Cannings in the village of Worton about 3-4 miles from Devizes. My Wiltshire family roots are from mainly the North of Wiltshire Calne, Brinkworth, Chippenham and Devizes. Although I now live in Scotland I have a large family still living in the area of Melksham and Devizes. I also have many friends and connections to Wiltshire so if anyone needs photographs etc. Please feel free to ask and If I can help I will
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Hi Miggs
If you've not already had access, take a look at these transcriptions of the Parish Registers of Allcannings and Etchilhampton 1579-1812 by Joseph Henry PARRY, B.A., Barrister-at-Law and late Scholar of New College, published 1905: https://archive.org/stream/registersallcan00etchgoog#page/n3/mode/2up
Whilst they are stated to be complete for All Cannings in 'A History of Wiltshire', there are likely to be more omissions than those I've been able to rectify after reference to the few extant Bishops' Transcripts for that period.
Happy hunting!
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good on ya dee :)
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A belated thank you to all of those above.
I've been side tracked with the death of the owner of the research but I have inherited seventy years of research so I'm back up and running !
I'm looking for a web of missing links including Neate,Perry,Neate Perry Neate,Maslen and Chandler. Also Eyles but not sure if they are this area. Does anyone know the name ?
The biggest thorn in my side is Louisa Elizabeth Maslen who married John Perry of Devizes.
Her marriage cert 1846 shows that her father is George Maslen grocer. Through her whole life ( legal docs etc) she maintains she was born in Covent Garden 1821. She has a sister ,Sarah, who later lives and works with her in Devizes. Sarah owns a milliners around 1850.
My belief is that Louisa is possibly the grand daughter or great niece of Sarah Grace who owned and ran The Castle hotel in Devizes.
Sarah Grace appears to have had a base born child but I can not find the documents in my paperwork inheritance to confirm this. It also seems that Sarah married a Richard Chandler before she married William Grace of the Castle. Again no documents. It appears that they all have links to All Cannings.
Any ideas or suggestions great fully received.
I am aware that this is off topic of Neate but on top of it all there is an alleged son of Louisa Elizabeth Maslin named John Neate Perry Neate ! I have found him He moved to Somerset and ran a grocery business but where is the proof that this Perry Neate is linked to my Perrys?
I can't drive so trips to Chippenham records office are limited as I live on the south coast.
Thank you for reading this .
I will be grateful for any ideas that may move me forward on where to look,who to ask,etc.
Thank you.🙂
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Christening 15th October 1843 at Brixton-Deverill, Wiltshire
Selina Ann Masslyn or Maslen
Daughter of Louisa Masslyn or Maslen
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1841 census
HO107, Piece 1189, Book 2, Folio 29, Page 7
Newpark Street, Devizes, Wiltshire
Grace, William M 50
Grace, Sarah F 50
Grace, Dennis M 52
Greenland, Mary F 20
Hapgood, William M 25
Withers, Charles M 14
Wantner, John M 45
Maslen, Louisa F 18
Bowden, Louisa F 26
Cole, Alexander M 21
Willis, Hannah F 20
Wiltshire, Rhoda F 15
Maslen, James M 25
Smith, Harry M 17
Florris, William M 30 All born in county
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Thank you KGarrard. I know about Louisa working at The Castle hotel. I also have the will of William Grace and another of Sarah Grace. Sarah leaves money to Louisa but the exact relationship is unclear. In the 1851 census Louisa ,who has now married Jon Perry of Devizes, leaves her daughter Mary Sarah Sissons Perry with Sarah Grace who is listed as Aunt to Mary. The ages are all wrong.She could be a great Aunt or even a grandmother ! Sarah seems to have been married to Richard Chandler before he died and she married William Grace. It seems that Sarah may have been base born.
I have also noted that a James Maslen is listed in the 1841 census. Could be coincidence as Maslen is a common name in Devizes but maybe he too is linked. I do know that Louisa had one sister in London who was adopted but at some point she comes to Devizes and in a census record the sisters are living together. Their father was George Maslen ( see Louisa's marriage cert ).
The christening is interesting as it just might lead to something. I do know that Louisa's sister Sarah was christened when she was adopted ( I think at age twelve but need to check this).
I also suspect that various family members didn't always tell the truth on legal documents. They were reasonably well off but for some reason they lied on the 1871 census,lied when registering the birth of an illegitamate child, lied when competing documents on oath !!! I have no idea why. They didn't need to economically as they had legitimately inherited the money.
It's a huge puzzle but I can't give up as the search has been going on for over seventy years and I am the second generation involved.
Thank you for your help. I shall follow up on the christening. :) ???
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It’s taken three years ! But I now know that Sarah Grace was on her third marriage when she married William Grace in Devizes. Prior to that it was Richard Chandler ( married in St Pancras London ) and prior to that Richard Sissons but strangely she gives her father’s name as Richard Mortimore batchelor ! When Richard Sissons dies in 1835 both she and Louisa are clearly named in a will. By the time it is settled she has already married the next one !
I’m now wondering if her mother was Maslen and she was base born or Mortimore was really her maiden name and she married into the Maslen family. I’ll probably never be able to work it out but if any one can shed any light I’d be very grateful.
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The Neate Perry link remains a mystery !
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John Perry Neate was born in Devizes in 1827. The ‘Perry’ appears to be from his mother’s maiden name; he was only recorded as John Neate in records before 1863, but almost always John Perry Neate thereafter. This might have been in tribute to his mother, who died in 1847. As likely it was due to the very large number of John Neates in the area – this theory is backed up by the baptism of a John Powell Neate in 1857, in the next village (Bishops Cannings) - the son of Christina Neate, nee Powell.
John (Perry) Neate married Jane Susan Andrews. They had at least 11 children, four of whom were given 'Perry' as a middle name.
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A very belated thank you for the info on John Perry Neate.
I have found a William John Neate Perry in the West Country.
I’m currently trying to work out if there could be a link.
He ran a grocers shop and doesn’t die until 1938.
I’ve yet to confirm his parents.
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Hi - I have Charles Neate blacksmith Devizes m 1813 Southbroom Sophia Perry. They had 9 children, four of whom were baptised '... Perry Neate'. Father of Charles Neate a Thomas Neate, Bishops Cannings - they go pick up Maslen and Rivers and the Perrys go back to Twinny, Twyford, Gaisford. I have private Ancestry tree but am happy to send an invitation if of use.
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Hi,
My search for Neate Perry is rather compicated.
Perry was the maiden name of my great grandmother. As a child she lived in Devizes as one set of grandparents William and Mary Ann Perry ran The Pelican coaching house which is still in the market square.
Her mother was a Maslin and lived with her Aunt Sarah Sissons then Chambers then Grace. When she was two Mary Sarah Sissons Perry my great grandmother was in The Castle Hotel which is still in the centre of Devizes.
Her father John Perry had left his wife Louisa Elizabeth Maslin Perry and his business and gone to live in Soho London.
Here he finds a mistress and produces two more daughters. Unbelievably, he seems to bring the mistress and the daughters to live in the house with his legal wife and daughter.
He had received money from a couple of wills and was also awaiting the clearance of a will that had been in chancery for around ten years. At this point he becomes a very wealthy man. Tragically he died in his fifties about six months later. Everything is left to his one and only legal daughter Mary.
Mary inherits the money,land and properties and makes a will as by now she is married to a farmer from Potterne John Biggs Panks.
In this will we have the first indication that there is a brother.
He is recorded as Neate Perry Neate ! I have never been able to find him for definately though there are indications that he may have been in Somerset and running a successful grocery business.
The question then has to be how does he fit in ?
We surmised that JohnPerry on one of his jaunts ,had a relationship with someone named Neate and when the child was born he was given both Neate and Perry as his surnames.
Maybe you have broken through this barrier ?
They are an unbelievably complicated family to follow even when you have the documents in front of you !
Solicitors swearing three times to differen aspects of Mary’s life when the must have known it was false.
The whole extended family disappear in the 1871 census eventually found with a changed surname and my great grandmother having a completely different name but on the certificates I sent for up comes her real name crossed through…an illegitimate daughter !
Later more legal documents turn up.
This was all taking place between 1820 and 1895 through varying generations !
It ended at this point with no job,no home,no money and selling the silver candlesticks whilst Mary’s husband now works as a storekeeper and they live in a two up two down box of a house with six sons !
So I’m afraid apart from knowing a Perry Neate turns up in Somerset and thinking he may be the half brother to Mary and Jon Perry his father,I’m not much use to you.
Looking forward to seeing how you may have a Perry Neate too. Thanks but sorry this is sooo long !
Maggie
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Hello - I hope we are communicating here - I've had to change from Google because I just couldn't break through the wall of adverts. It was like a rash of adverts over everything, and really spoilt my enjoyment. Hopefully, I've managed to get around this.
I will take a long look at all the detailed information you provided but I do recall coming across a Neate Perry Neate. This was quite some time back but I'll take a look and see what I can come up with and compare against my own tree.
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Maggie, am I able to invite you to my Ancestry tree somehow - I'm not sure how much is allowed via our site here. I'm thinking we have the same names but we're a step or two apart, but I would be very happy for you to poke around the tree to see if there's anything of interest.
I shall keep considering everything you covered previously.
Stevie
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Thank you for replying.
Can you see my tree ?
I’m on varying sites and none of them are accurate. I use the computer ones as “ note paper” .
The real stuff is on paper in my study.
Lots of the research from twenty five years ago and onwards is mine but mixed with my aging Dad and his older sister ,my Aunt.
Dad died aged 96 and Auntie aged 104.They were both completely devoted to genealogy.
I’m on Ancestry and Heritage and Find my Past.
It’s the odd gap that needs filling.
One of the biggest if not the biggest brick wall was where did my great grandmothers middle name of Sissons come from ? I found it ! Sadly both Dad and Auntie had died by then. Stupidly,I still think I should phone and tell them. We had so many phone calls. At the time zi was still teaching so genealogy research became complicated in the midst of lesson planning !
I’ll get back to you.
Regards Maggie
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Hi - I have sent you a message on Ancestry