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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: Homers on Tuesday 19 November 13 01:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi everybody,
I do have some family history of Thomas' family and which of them settled in N.Z. I am trying to go back further on Thomas and wife Agnes (nee Wilson).
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There is a will for 'Thomas Mackay, tenant at Wester Auld Allan, Parish of Lintrathen' from 1855. You can download it from Scotland's People website, ref is SC47/40/23, it's 9 pages long
If this is your man I wonder if he married again as there is an MI entry for a Thomas McKay, who died on Christmas Day 1854 aged 81, buried in Lintrathen chuchyard with his ?second ?wife 'Jean Ramsay'. Lots of other McKays buried here too.
1841 census and 1851 census has the above chap at 'Knowehead of AuldAllan', born c1775 in Kingoldrum. At first glance only potential entry in the OPR is for 'Thomas Mackie' born 1773 Kingoldrum, father 'James Mackie'. There is a 1766 marriage entry for James to 'Jean Mickison' in the OPR for Kingoldrum. This would all need much further verification but could be somewhere to start.
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If you do decide to look into 'James Mackie' who married 'Jean Mickison' in Kingoldrum in 1766 note the following OPR entries and the name/spelling variants:
Agnes Mackie, christened 1768 Kingoldrum father James Mackie, mother not listed
Euphan Mackie, christened 1769 Kingoldrum father Jas. Mackie, mother not listed
Jean Mackie, christened 1771 Kingoldrum father James Mackie, mother not listed
Thomas Mackie, christened 1773 Kingoldrum father James Mackie, mother not listed
Isobel Mackie, christened 1775 Kingoldrum father James Mackie, mother not listed
Margaret Mackie, christened 1778 Kingoldrum father James Mackie, mother Jean Meckison
James Mackie, christened 1780 Kingoldrum father Jas. Mackie, Mother Jean Meckison
John Mackie, christened 1782 Lintrathen father James Mackie, Mother Margaret Mickison
John Mackie, christened 1782 Kingoldrum father James Mackie, Mother Jean Meckison
Giles Mackie, christened 1785 Kingoldrum father James Mackie, Mother Jean Meckison
Jean Mackie, christened 1785 Kingoldrum father James Mackie, Mother Jean Meckison
(there may be others but am in a rush!)
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Hi Gali
Thank you for your responses re above.
Perhaps I should have expanded a little...Thomas was my GGG Grandfather, married to Agnes McKay (nee Wilson), this information was collected some years ago, around 1984, by a relative who visited and did talk to some family then. Thomas' son James Born 1799, Died 1889 Farmer of AuldAllan, as shown on his headstone at Lintrathen churchyard. James married Marjory Annand 1801 - 1887.
Four on James' sons emigrated to New Zealand - 1858 and 1863.
The will you mentioned for Thomas Mackay, tenant at Wester Auld Allan!! Was this a farming property?
I would like to thank you once again for your assistance.
p.s. I believe the Old Mill has been turned into an Accomodation where one can stay and that the old Steading home is occupied.
Homers
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'wester' is just 'western' ... perhaps in this case to distinguish one building from t'other ... it looks from this 1846 Scottish postal directory that Thomas was at the 'Braes of Auld Allan' and James at the Mill.
http://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/pageturner.cfm?id=85467366
If you pay £7 on Scotland's People you will get 30 credits, 10 of which you will need to use to download the will.
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You also might find the following from 1869 of interest ... details of a dispute as to whether all of the land of Auldallan lay within Lintrathen parish or whether a part was in Kingoldrum ... James Mackay is the tenant, Peter Wedderburn Ogilvy the landowner:
"The tenant in the lands, born at Auldallan, and whose father was previously tenant therein, while paying schoolmaster's salary, road-money, and parochial burdens in Lintrathen, has until recently paid none in Kingoldrum"
http://www02.us.archive.org/stream/scotsrevisedrep03sessgoog/scotsrevisedrep03sessgoog_djvu.txt
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Hi
I am a direct descendant of Thomas McKay and Agnes Wilson. I live in NZ.
I would like to be kept in the loop as well please if you can expand on family history.
Not sure if any of you participate on the LDS website. If so search Thomas McKay and you will bring up my family chart I would imagine.
I have someone taking photos of the hewadstones in Linthrathen in about a weeks time. If there is anything else I can point those people towards to help in our search please let me know.
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Hi Tania, I have had a look at LDS (Family Search) but unable to link into Thomas on a Family Tree. Not sure if you rec'd my reply a few days ago..... I live in N.Z. and we do have a lot of information on 4 sons of James' family (son of Thomas) who migrated to N.Z. A book was written by a family member who has researched the family. James' headstone sits directly behind the old Lintrathen church, around 2 or 3 rows back and is a tall headstone with a "Vase" on top. Last year I visited there with family but because of weather and time constraints was unable to take in more than that headstone.
If you wish you can contact me on "homarg2@vodafone.co.nz" and I could give you more info.
Homers
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I was drawn to your posts about Auld Allan. My family were also tenants there in 1821. My 3rd Great Grandmother's will refers to her daughter Betty Mill Milne and son-in-law William Grant farming at Auld Allan. My 2nd Great Uncle William Milne married Betty McKay who was the daughter of Thomas McKay and Jean Ramsay. My Milne Family were tenants in Westerton of Balintore, Wester Pearsie, Longdrum, Balloch and Herd. If there is any connection I'd be happy to share information. As an aside, Auld Allan was recently up for sale for a mere $498,000 pounds if anyone is interested! Best regards.
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Hi Lynda J, Yes, there is a connection, Thomas who farmed Auld Allan was my 3rd Gt. Grandfather, father of James. James also farmed the property. Four of James's sons emigrated to New Zealand, David (my Gt. Grandfather), and brothers Peter, John Annan and Robert Malcolm, all settled in Southland, New Zealand. In Thomas' Will it shows ... "my elder daughter by my present marriage (to Jean Ramsay), Mary Mackay wife of William Milne" - perhaps "Betty" was her known name!! Thomas had James, Catharine, Martha and Margaret (shown in Will) from his first marraige to Agnes Wilson. I hope this may help you with your research. Please don't hesitate to contact if you feel I can help further. Homers.
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Mickison/Meckison, is Meekison, a local name.
Skoosh.
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Hi to all that are interested. Have finally had a weeks holidays and am going through sorting old pictures. Decided to investigate the mill of Auld Allan where my relatives are from and have found this page. Hope I am posting correctly on here. Thomas MacKay I believe is my 3rd great grandfather or 4th? I do have pictures of him if anyone is interested and of the headstones at the church where the family is buried as well. I'm from the side of the family who came to Canada.
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Hi HeatherLima....Thank you for your posting...I would love any photos of Thomas (my 3rd Gt Grandfather)and family you have. The only photos I have are of the Auld Allan homestead and the Mill next door as well as the Headstone of Thomas's son James, who married Marjorie Annand, which is directly behind the old church at Lintrathen. The McKay connection I have is from one of the four son's of James who emigrated to New Zealand in mid 1850's. A book written in N.Z. by M. Noeline Shaw called "The History of The McKay Family of Wyndham", (Wyndham is in the South Island, N.Z.), gives a picture of the N.Z. connection.
I look forward to hearing from you. Regards, Homers.
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Hi Homers. Happy to share what I have. I can scan and send but not sure the best way to pass on to you as am new to the site. Share e-mails? Tried sending an attachment but says too big.
My Grandmother's name was Jean so thinking my line is from his second marriage. Shall see if I can track down the book. Not sure how much would relate to me but am curious just the same.
Look forward to hearing back from you.
Heather
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Hi Heather, I have had a look at a copy of Thomas's will (died 21 December 1854) and Mentioned is second wife Jean MacKay (nee Ramsay). Their Oldest daughter Mary (married William Milne) and Youngest Daughter Jean MacKay. Son James from first marriage carried on at the farm. it may be easier to send attachments via e-mail even if it means sending smaller files! Thomas's will shows spelling as "MacKay", his son from first marriage, James shows a change to McKay in his will. They are the same family. I hope this information is helpful to you. Look forward to hearing further from you.... Regards, Homers!!!!
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Homers, just a friendly note to say it would be best if you edit your last post to remove your email address, then send it to HeatherLima via the Private Message option (click on the little 'letter in circle' symbol under HeatherLima's name to send the PM).
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Hello HeatherLima
I live in Eastern Canada. Margaret Milne, daughter of William Milne (my second Great Uncle) and Mary McKay immigrated to Canada about 1906 after the death of her father along with her husband James Lindsay. The family settled in Saskatchewan and raised their family. One of their daughters Mary McKay Lindsay became a successful cattle broader. This information came from a distant cousin Ethel Lindsay Sweezy. My line comes from William Milne younger brother James Milne (my great grandfather). I am happy to share information if this is of interest to you or anyone else on this site. Best regards.
Lynda J.