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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: KatieL on Monday 18 November 13 17:40 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm trying to find a birth record for Winifred M D Oldham, born in 1929. I'm looking on behalf of someone else and that's the only information I've got, so I'm trying to find her place of birth and mother's maiden name so I can go back from there. I've done a search but can't find the record, can anyone help me find any information?
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Hi,
Have you tried looking for a death record of Winifred to establish her birth year or are you certain that it is 1929?
Have found no birth details of a Winifred M D Oldham as yet ???
JJ
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Thanks for looking. The person who gave me the information helped to arrange her funeral and seems sure about when she was born.
He thinks it's possible her parents divorced. If she took her mother's maiden name or a stepfather's name, is there any way of finding a record of this? Apart from that I don't know where else to look.
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Hi,
No obvious birth, but lots of possibles for Oldham and then there are these for Holden
There is a birth Dec Q 1925:-
Holden Winifred D M Hirons Pershore 6c 274
There is a marriage Dec Q 1943:-
Holden Winifred D M Henry Pershore 6c 518
Have you any clue about the area she is thought to have been born or lived in later life?
Did she ever marry?
Spendlove
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Hi
There is a Winifred M.Oldham J/A/S 1927 Newcastle 10B 83 m/n Bewley
Suziq
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Did the person arranging her funeral have her death certificate giving any more details
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Thanks,
She was the long term partner of my relative but they never married, and I'm pretty sure she was never married before that. I think she lived in London as a child but I don't know if she was born there. At some point she moved to Essex where she lived until her death.
I'm not sure if he has seen the death certificate, but will find out. He seems certain she was born in 1929 though.
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Even if your contact doesn't have access to the death certificate, sufficient details to identify the death registration (where in Essex did she die, when and in what name) would help a lot.
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She died 12/10/13, so I don't think any records will be online yet. She lived in Clacton though, and as far as I know she always used the same name.
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Her Obit is under the name Wendy.
http://www.clactonandfrintongazette.co.uk/announcements/deaths/deaths/10791353.Wendy_Oldham/
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Her Obit is under the name Wendy.
http://www.clactonandfrintongazette.co.uk/announcements/deaths/deaths/10791353.Wendy_Oldham/
Recent electoral rolls for Clacton show a Wendy M. Oldham in the right age bracket.
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Her pension records should show her exact DOB......as should the death cert,if the person registering it knew the correct date!
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Thanks everyone for looking. I'll check how he knew the date of birth, but it fits with the age shown in the paper.
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I wonder if he has any clue as to what the M D stood for in her name?
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Perhaps contacting the crematorium that handled her arrangements. It's listed in her obit. Surely they would have needed all the required paperwork.
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A bit more information- she was Winifred Margaret Doris Oldham (known as Wendy), DOB was 25/07/29. We got the DOB from her solicitor.
I've just done another search for a birth without the surname and there's a Winifred M D registered in Bethnal Green in Jul-Sep 1929. If both middle names are given on the birth certificate, would both initials be shown on the record or could she be one of the Winifred M's?
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That one is sure looking good.
Although if she wasn't originally registered with the Doris,and it was added later then you may be back to square 1.
Let's see if we can trace that girl.....
Back soon
Carol
Well she only exists as a birth,no marriage or death.
Mum's name was also Winifred M as shown on her 1922 marriage.
don't want to give too much away in case anyone is still alive.
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There are 3 children born to that couple,from 1923 -1929 all have 2 middle initials.
Archibald J H (John Henry) b 1926 died in Essex in March 1962- he was married.
Christopher William G b 1923 died in Waltham Forest in 1990.
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Looks like mum did indeeed remarry.She's down with both her maiden and married surnames.
Marriages Dec 1937
Cardoza Winifred M Cooper Hackney 1b 874
Cooper Alfred S Foxton Hackney 1b 874
Cooper Alfred S Cardoza Hackney 1b 874
Foxton Winifred M Cooper Hackney 1b 874
And a further 1941 birth that may belong to the above couple,but not in London,up here in Northamptonshire!!!
Perhaps they were evacuated out of London during the war.
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Thanks very much for your help Carol.
The only other thing I've been told about her is she may have been evacuated to Wales before going back to London. I think it's looking like she may have been adopted as I can't work out where else the name Oldham came from.
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Thanks very much for your help Carol.
The only other thing I've been told about her is she may have been evacuated to Wales before going back to London. I think it's looking like she may have been adopted as I can't work out where else the name Oldham came from.
Either that or she took her real dad's name?
No,she took her grandma's surname. ;D
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For some reason I hadn't thought of that! Would there be any way of finding details about children who were evacuated? Or maybe they're confidential.
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For some reason I hadn't thought of that! Would there be any way of finding details about children who were evacuated? Or maybe they're confidential.
They're too recent I suspect.Try a search on here and see what comes up. I'm sure the subject has been covered before. Maybe if you get her birth cert you can confirm it's the right girl (DOB) and see who it gives as her dad- perhaps that's the reason they split up?
Mum is in Bethnal Green in 1929 and 30,but then doesn't appear as Foxton after that.
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Hi
May have solved the surname problem
Winifred's (Wendy) mother was Winifred M Cardoza born in 1903 to parents William Cordoza and Esther Stokes.
William Cardoza died young in 1923 and her mother Esther remarried in 1928 to a Thomas Oldham.
claire
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Hi
May have solved the surname problem
Winifred's (Wendy) mother was Winifred M Cardoza born in 1903 to parents William Cordoza and Esther Stokes.
William Cardoza died young in 1923 and her mother Esther remarried in 1928 to a Thomas Oldham.
claire
Clever girl Claire ;D
Never thought to look into her Cardoza side !
Isn't it great how we all approach a problem from a different angle and together come up with answers ?
Carol
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Esther as Cardoza is at 1 Henrietta Street Bethnal Green in 1920,26 and 28.
And as Esther Oldham with Thomas and an Alfred Cardoza from 1930 onwards to at least 1936.
EUREKA !!!
IN 1952 and 1950 Winifred Margaret Doris Oldham is with grandma Esther Oldham and Henry S Cardoza at 67 Palace Gates Roa,d Wood Green,London N22
She may have been there before that too.
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Winifred's (Wendy) mother was Winifred M Cardoza born in 1903 to parents William Cordoza and Esther Stokes.
Winifred Maud Cardoza born 22 Sep 1902
Baptism 12 Oct 1902 St Phillip Bethnal Green
William Cardoza occ Wood sawyer & Esther
Winifred M Cardoza married 1922 shoreditch C Foxton
1929 ER Tower Hamlet Bethnal Green address 8 Crescent Place
Winifred M Foxton, C Foxton (male), S Foxton (female)
(Carol8353 given details)
Winifred M Cardoza/Foxton married 1937 Hackney A S Cooper
(Carol8353 given you details of this)
1939 Electoral Register address 20 Loddiges Road Hackney
Thomas & Esther Oldham
A S (male) & Winifred Maud Cooper
William, Margaret & Henry Cardoza
25 Dec 1899 St Phillips Church Bethnal Green
William Cardoza 22 Sawyer f Samuel occ Gilder
Esther Stokes 22 Machinist f George occ boot las?
Both single, both signed, both 69 Sclak? St
Witness William John Cl(?)ff & Eunice Cardoza
William Joshua Cardoza bapt 18 Mar 1877 St James the Great Bethnal Green
F Samuel occ Gilder m Sarah abode 6 Providence Place
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Hi
Thanks Carol ;D ~ it's all coming together now !!
Here are their probate records
Thomas Oldham of 218 Dalston Lane Hackney died 15 Aug. 1940 at 1a Manor Rd Ilford Essex. Administration 23 Dec. 1941 to Esther Oldham, widow.
Effects: £411 2s 9d.
Esther Oldham of 67 Palace Gate Rd Wood Green widow died 21 March 1953. Probate London 5 June 1953 to William George Cardoza engineer.
Effects: £201 12s 1d.
claire
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Esther Oldham of 67 Palace Gate Rd Wood Green widow died 21 March 1953.
Probate London 5 June 1953 to William George Cardoza engineer.
Effects: £201 12s 1d.
claire
I was 13 days old ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks for all the research, I've written it all down and I'll pass it on. I was originally supposed to be finding out if she had any relatives still alive, so now I've got some names of siblings, aunts and uncles I'll see if I can find any.
I'm pleased I've found out where the surname came from, it's interesting she changed it.
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There are 3 children born to that couple,from 1923 -1929 all have 2 middle initials.
Archibald J H (John Henry) b 1926 died in Essex in March 1962- he was married.
Christopher William G b 1923 died in Waltham Forest in 1990.
Archibald married in Bethnal Green in 1948.
There are 2 possible births in West Ham in the early 1950's.
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And Christopher married in Hackney in 1945.
Four possible births on Free BMD after that date too.
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Her parents did divorce:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C8085310
Note that the husband initiated the divorce proceedings and the "co-respondent" named looks to be the same man that Winifred married in 1937.
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Well found Jorose, I never think that records that recent are online,but they obviously are!
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Hi Katie
I am the daughter of Christopher WG Foxton - brother to your Wendy (Winifred). I have been trying to find her and it is sad I am too late. However I am interested to know if she had any children with her partner? Do I have any living relatives?
I have only just joined Roots so cannot PM you yet.
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Thanks for the suggestion
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