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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: EdwinReffell on Sunday 17 November 13 23:39 GMT (UK)
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In FreeBMD I have found the death of an Irene M REFFELL in Maidstone, Kent age 54 in September qtr 1941. I cannot locate her in my trees. I do not know if she was nee or married REFFELL. There is nothing else for her in FreeBMD. I have googled, tried other lista and found nothing. If she was nee REFFELL I would like to know where online I can find her, and her parents' names and birth years. If she was married REFFELL I would like to know her maiden name and the first names of her REFFELL husband. Thank you for helping.
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Hi
I cant see any births of an Irene Reffell about the date she would have been born.
There is this marriage, but probably a bit late and the wrong middle initial. I cant see any other marriages.
REFFELL-PARR, Samuel R
Brighton Sussex
1939 Apr-May-Jun
Spouse Irene S Pope
Volume 2B Page 666
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London Electoral registers
1939
17 Holdenby Road Lewisham SE4
All surname Reffell
Ernest Edward
Alice Augusta Jane
Ernest Thomas Samuel
Irene Maud
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Marriage on same page FreeBMD
Mar 1/4 1908
Alice Mary Hayward and Ernest Edward Reffell. Stow 4a/1121
Added: Alice A J birth registered 1911, Ernest T S 1915
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Thank you so much. This solved the placing of 2 people I had been unable to place. If you are able please would you find Irene Maud's birth year for me?
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I don't think that is the same one as you are looking for, as she is still there with the family in 1946 at 15, Brightling Road, Lewisham.
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I don't know if this is simply a 'red herring' but an Alexander Reffell b.Dec.1858 Tonbridge married a Lucy Maria Vinall in 1884 - she died and was buried 21/1/1908 Tunbridge Wells Cemetery as plain Lucy.
A plain Alexander Reffell (and the above appears to be the only one) married a Maud I. A. Wagstaff in Dec.1920 Malling, Kent.
Alexander Reffell died and was buried 24/2/1947 Tunbridge Wells Cemetery
Irene Maud bc.1887 buried 20/8/1941 Tunbridge Wells Cemetery
There is no death or re-marriage for a Maud I. A. Reffell so is this Irene Maud?
I cannot find a birth for a Maud I. A. Wagstaff so she may have been a widow when she married Alexander in 1920 which still doesn't help us to identify her maiden name and who her first husband was - complicated, of course, by the fact if she was Maud Irene or Irene Maud!
Annette
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Hi Edwin - we meet yet again!
I see a profile of Irene saying she was formerly Berrye/Berry, aka Wagstaff. Is this your lady?
Everlea.
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Maud Irene A. Berry was born Jun.qtr.1889 Lincoln - she married a Francis Wagstaff Mar.1915 Grimsby, Lincs. There are a couple of Francis Wagstaff's died during WW1 plus F. Wagstaff's.
Annette
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Yes Maud Irene A BERRYE married first Francis WAGSTAFF and then Alexander REFFELL. However in my tree I have Maud Irene's death entered as 1984 (age 94). Unfortunately I do not have the source. It must be something online.
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I cant see that death on Freebmd, Ancestry or FindMyPast. The only one is the 1941 one aged 54.
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I do not know the parents of Alexander REFFELL. He died in March qtr 1947 aged 89 in Maidstone, Kent. I wonder if he is related to Ernest Edward REFFELL, the father of Irene Maud REFFELL (whose birth year I do not know). There is a death in Maidstone in September qtr for an 1941 Irene M REFFELL aged 54 which means that that Irene M was born in 1887. I do not believe she is Irene Maud, daughter of Ernest Edward REFFELL who married in 1908 in Stow, Suffolk. I believe that Irene M 1887-1941 was not nee REFFELL. Maud Irene A REFFELL nee BERRYE was born in 1889.
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Alexander Reffell was born in Tunbridge Wells in 1858. I do not find them in the 1861 census and by 1871 his mother is a widow. The census calls his mother Ellen (Ellin) Reffell. Looking for a marriage there is
Name: John Alfred Reffell
Spouse's Name: Ellen Adams
Event Date: 27 Feb 1856
Event Place: St. Botolph Aldgate, London, England
Father's Name: William Reffell
Spouse's Father's Name: John Adams
So Alexander's parents should be Johnh Alfred Reffell and Ellen Adams. John dies in 1869 aged 42 in Tunbridge Wells hence why he is not on the census in 1871
Ernest Edward Reffell was not related to Alexander Reffell, at least not closely. Ernest was the son of Samuel who was the son of Samuel. Alexander was the son of John who was the son of William
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For Alexander S REFFELL born 1858 I have Lucy Maria VINALL as spouse. She died in 1908. Alexander S died in 1947.
Deaths Mar 1947
Reffell Alexander 89 Maidstone 5b 986
So I suppose he must have married Maud Irene A BERRYE afterwards in 1920. I had these 2 marriages to 2 Alexanders. Thank you that tidies up my trees a lot.
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If Maud Irene A. Reffell died in 1984 then it wasn't in the UK!
Annette
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Not coming up anywhere that I can see.
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I am unable to find the source. It is not unlikely that I am wrong.
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Hello
New to this. My mums name was Irene Maud Reffell. She lived in South London until the 1950s when she moved to Dartford.
Not sure if this is the person you are trying to find info about.
Tony
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hello Tony, thanks for the reply. i have been searching Reffell people for about 15 years now, maybe more for i started getting interested in 1966. i have traced my branch back to 1789 in Dorking when my greatgreatgrandfather Joseph was born to Joseph and Sarah. Possibly with the exception of my greatgrandfather Edwin the name Joseph appears in every generation down to my 1905 Uncle "Ted" who was named Edwin (after his grandfather), Herbert (after his father) Joseph (after his greatgrandfather). there was another Joseph baptized and died in 1789 in Albury, son of William (born in Dorking) and Hannah nee SMITH, who married in Shere and were "of this parish". in 1786 another Joseph son of John and Anne nee BURCHATT was christened in Shere and that branch too has a few descendents named Joseph. I cannot find links between my branch and the other two.Anyway if you want i can give you what information i have on the various branches and hopefully find a common ancestor.
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hello again Tony G, guess what. my greatgrandfather Edwin born in Slough near Horton then Bucks near Heathrow(son of Joseph 1789 in Dorking and Elizabeth nee Fowler) had a brother called Albert William born in Horton who had a son called Percy Albert born in Hyde Kent who had a daughter called Marjory Elaine, a son called Stanley Albert and a daughter called Vera Irene M born in Clapham who married a Lennart A G...and you know the rest. you belong to the Bucks farmer Reffell branch like me. this branch continues in Perth Western Australia only so far for as far as I know my photographer nephew in London and his wife Nathalie have no children yet. if you like you can email me edwin dot reffell at gmail dot com and i can put you in touch with my brothers and sister in the UK and Australia and another related family in Australia, my relatives in New Zealand and the lady in the UK who started my interest in family searching. i can let you know what my grandmother Amelia Ellen born in 1877 told me about herself and what my father told me about ,my grandfather.
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Thanks for the reply Edwin. This is so much info at once as I have never really known anything about my mums family. When you write Lennet A G, my dads name was Leonard Arthur Grantham is that what you meant?
Thanks
Tony
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yes. i did not write the surname because you did not write it. how far back have you got with your father's family? do you want me to help you find your father's ancestors? do you want me to give you what i have got for your mother's family? by the way i have done a dna test to see where our branch came from. there is no evidence of French or Huguenot background that i can see just as i rhought but the route to and from the Fertile Crescent really surprised me.
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i see i wrote Lennart by mistake for it is Swedish for Leonard.
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I have a fair bit of info on my fathers side but nothing on my mothers side so any info would be great.
Thank you very much
Tony
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how far back have you got on your father's side? do you have your mother's siblings? Albert William Reffell 1834-1886 married Ellen nee Hunt in 1887.as far as i know they had one son Percy William 1878-1966 who married Clara Creamer Mcarty in 1902. Joseph 1789-1848 married Elizabeth nee Fowler in 1814 and was the brother of James 1791-1850 South Africa. Their 11 children were Mary Ann 1813-1889, James 1815-?, Charles 1816-1834, Raymond 1818-1882, Eliza about 1819-?, Alfred Charles 1821-1844, Agnes 1822-1847, Elizabeth 1824-1879, Ursula 1826-?, Edwin 1827-1895, Albert William 1834-1886. Edwin married Fanny nee Frampton in 1855. their children were Horace Edwin Joseph 1865-1902, Herbert William 1867-1953, Leon Augustus 1869.?, Silas Albert Frampton 1871-1874. Herbert William married Amelia Ellen nee Coulter 1877-1963 in 1893. their 15 children were Dorothy Ellen 1893-?, Marguerite Marion 1896-1900, Rose Marjory A 1897-1900, Boadicea 1898-1900, Herbert William 1900-1900, Ivy Rowena 1901-?, Edwin Herbert Joseph 1903-1935, Horace Leon Cedric George 1905-2001 New Zealand, Amelia Patricia 1906-?, Gwendolen M 1908-?. Mary Alexandra Victoria 1910-2002, Margaret A T 1912-?, John James 1914-1992, Myrtal R M D W 1917-1918, Irene 1922-1922.