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Searching for information about two Holloway brothers who diedin Bendigo area around 1845 working in goldfields
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Do you have any further information on the brothers?
First names etc?
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Taking a wild stab ;D
There is a will on pro-vic http://prov.vic.gov.au/ for an Alfred HOLLOWAY, gold-digger who died in 1841 (20 Mar 1841) from Geelong. His brother John HOLLOWAY is the executor. He left William ELLEN and Thomas ELLEN cousins and his brother John HOLLOWAY in this colony, and a mother and 3 brothers and 3 sisters in Kent, England.
Is this a possibility?
cheers,
Ros
OK OK my Victorian geography is poor and I now see that Geelong is some distance from Bendigo but he could have been chasing the gold finds.
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Ros, people travelled from all over the world to the gold fields in Victoria. A combination of the gold drying up, and the Californian gold rush starting was the turning point for many to take off then to the US. So Geelong is not that far from Bendigo. :)
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Wasn't gold discovered at Sandhurst [later named Bendigo] in Sep 1851?
May I ask the source of your information?
Cando
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No goldfields in Aus in 1845. Small finds but the government hushed them up. It wasn't until Hargreaves claimed to discover gold in early 1851 that the rushes started in NSW.
Bendigo was just a little later as Cando says. The rush at Bendigo was in full swing with 20000 diggers on the field by January 1852 from 800 in December 1851.
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Taking a wild stab ;D
There is a will on pro-vic http://prov.vic.gov.au/ for an Alfred HOLLOWAY, gold-digger who died in 1841 (20 Mar 1841) from Geelong. His brother John HOLLOWAY is the executor. He left William ELLEN and Thomas ELLEN cousins and his brother John HOLLOWAY in this colony, and a mother and 3 brothers and 3 sisters in Kent, England.
Is this a possibility?
cheers,
Ros
OK OK my Victorian geography is poor and I now see that Geelong is some distance from Bendigo but he could have been chasing the gold finds.
A HOLLOWAY/ELLEN connection. ??? ???
Death in Vic
HOLLOWAY John
Father David
Mother Sarah ELLEN
Age 49
Birth Place NOTT
Year 1872
Reg Number 6215
Sue
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Thanks to all. Can now add Joseph and Robert Walker Holloway died February 1854, from extract from Bendigo Gazette. Came from Hampshire
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wwh/
This link is to a newspaper item titled "BENDIGO SINCE '51 No. I."
Bendigo Advertiser Saturday 29 September 1888 p 3
The author looks back to earlier days in Bendigo and makes reference to a man Joseph HOLLOWAY .
I see no reference to Joseph's death or anything at all about Robert Walker HOLLOWAY.
I have not come across a newspaper called "Bendigo Gazette", but perhaps you could give more information about the nature of the report of the death of the brothers which you refer to.
These are to only two indexed BDM events I can see up to 1888 pertaining to Joseph HOLLOWAY.
A marriage
HOLLOWAY Joseph
To BRODERICK Mary
Birth Place Not stated
Year1860
Reg 2630
A death
HOLLOWAY Joseph
Father: James
Mother: Jane
Age 27
Birth Place WIL
Year 1859
Reg Number 1906
Sue
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The area would have been known as Sandhurst in 1854 and the only reference I can find to a Bendigo Gazette is a newspaper which was published between 1979-1998.
Could you please type the information as it appears in the publication.
Civil registration was legislated Jul 1856 in the Colony of Victoria although there are civil registrations prior to the date however many of the records are parish records.
The Argus 12 Sep 1853
On the 11th inst., at Mr. Bowen's Boarding-house, Mornington-place, on the western side of the Legislative Chamber, opposite the Jews' Synagogue, Robert Holloway, Esq. Friends of the deceased are requested to call this morning
The Argus 20 Nov 1854
In tho Goods of Joseph Holloway, late of Sandhurst, Gentleman, deceased Intestate.
Notice to Creditors.-Pursuant to a rule of this Honorable Court, all persons having claims on the estate of the above-named deceased person are requested to come in and prove them, before me, at my office, No 28 Willlam-street, in the City of Melbourne, on or before Friday, the first day of December next, and in default thereof they will be reremptorily excluded from all benefit recruing from the said estate.
AUGUSTUS FARLEY, Actlng.Registrar the Supreme Court, and Curator of Intestate Estates
Supreme Court Registry,
Melbourne 17th Nov., 1854
Cando
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/0www/
The Argus
Arrival of a Robert HOLLOWAY on the MOUNT STEWART ELPHINSTONE IN 1851
Cando
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PROV has papers for the estate of Joseph HOLLOWAY, of Sandhurst, gentleman, died 22 February 1854. The Court application states that he has no next of kin in 'this Colony" (i.e. Victoria).
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
Judith
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Thanks.
I have the following extracts
From History of Bendigo/Sandhurst by George Mack on line www. Archive
/stream fo0und by search on Bendigo/Sandhurst
c1851_1854 Joseph died 1854
It may be difficult for many to believe that the forest between
the First White Hill and our railway station, and, indeed, up
to Golden Gully, was so thick and dark that people often lost
their way in attempting to get through it, from any one of the
points named to another. The range dividing Sandhurst from
Ironbark was so densely timbered that no glimpse of the valley
of Bendigo could be obtained from it, and many robberies were
committed there. Men who ventured to bring their gold into
the township, as Sandhurst was then called, did so at great risk.
Mr Joseph Holloway who used to visit the gullies for the purpose
of buying gold from the diggers, was stuck up one evening on
Ironbark Hill, but being on horseback he got away, and was fired
at twice as he galloped off, though fortunately without effect
Holloway. On the 21st February 1854 at the Government Camp Sandhurst, Bendigo, after a lingering illness, Joseph the second and last surviving son of the late Joseph Holloway Esq, of East Leigh Havant, in the 41st year of his age . About two months earlier, his brother, R. W. Holloway Esq. died at Melbourne and from the instant he received the melancholy tidings, he may be really said never to have held up his head. Mr Holloway was amongst the earliestt of the colonists who made the over land journey from Sydney to Victoria, and the writer of these lines, having been connected with him for many years and made many long and trying jouneys with him, can testify to his goodness of heart, his generosity and uniformly kind and honorable conduct, and his numerous friends – all who knew him intimately _ will deeply deplore his loss. His remains were followed to the grave by the Resident Government Commissioner, the Police Magistate, all the Camp officers and a few private friends .Bendigo Gazette Feb 23 1854
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Thank you. Rather different information from your original request.
Searching for information about two Holloway brothers who diedin Bendigo area around 1845 working in goldfields
emsworth
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Thanks to all. Can now add Joseph and Robert Walker Holloway died February 1854, from extract from Bendigo Gazette. Came from Hampshire
emsworth
Reply#9
The Argus 20 Nov 1854
In tho Goods of Joseph Holloway, late of Sandhurst, Gentleman, deceased Intestate.
Notice to Creditors.-Pursuant to a rule of this Honorable Court, all persons having claims on the estate of the above-named deceased person are requested to come in and prove them, before me, at my office, No 28 Willlam-street, in the City of Melbourne, on or before Friday, the first day of December next, and in default thereof they will be reremptorily excluded from all benefit recruing from the said estate.
AUGUSTUS FARLEY, Actlng.Registrar the Supreme Court, and Curator of Intestate Estates
Supreme Court Registry,
Melbourne 17th Nov., 1854
cando
The Argus 12 Sep 1853
On the 11th inst., at Mr. Bowen's Boarding-house, Mornington-place, on the western side of the Legislative Chamber, opposite the Jews' Synagogue, Robert Holloway, Esq. Friends of the deceased are requested to call this morning
Cando
I can't find the HOLLOWAY in the online book...yet. Bendigo Gazette may be the Police Gazette.
Cando
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Have searched the newspapers archived at State Library of Victoria and nothing at all for a Bendigo Gazette in 1854 only the Bendigo Advertiser and Bendigo Evening News [1851-1893]
The Bendigo Advertiser was published from 1853 - 2003 and this newspaper is on TROVE but only from 1855.
May I ask where you found the Bendigo Gazette item?
Cando
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Of interest :)
Painting of Government Camp at Sandhurst 1853
http://acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/itemLarge.aspx?itemID=836672\\
Out of copyright - Artist died before 1955
Cando
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Thanks.
I have the following extracts
From History of Bendigo/Sandhurst by George Mack on line www. Archive
/stream fo0und by search on Bendigo/Sandhurst
c1851_1854 Joseph died 1854
It may be difficult for many to believe that the forest between
the First White Hill and our railway station, and, indeed, up
to Golden Gully, was so thick and dark that people often lost
their way in attempting to get through it, from any one of the
points named to another. The range dividing Sandhurst from
Ironbark was so densely timbered that no glimpse of the valley
of Bendigo could be obtained from it, and many robberies were
committed there. Men who ventured to bring their gold into
the township, as Sandhurst was then called, did so at great risk.
Mr Joseph Holloway who used to visit the gullies for the purpose
of buying gold from the diggers, was stuck up one evening on
Ironbark Hill, but being on horseback he got away, and was fired
at twice as he galloped off, though fortunately without effect
This passage is the one I have linked in my REPLY #8
I have also there given the newspaper source.
Sue
ADDING I also gave the year. It is a "memory of many many years ago!!
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Sue also mentioned in
HOLLOWAY
Mentioned
Annals of Bendigo 1851-67;
Author/compiler MACKAY George
and from an online book by the same author
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wxf/
Scroll down to .....
4. HISTORY OF BENDIGO.
It may be difficult for many to believe that the forest between
the First White Hill and our railway station, and, indeed, up....
Cando
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Great find with an excellent description of Joseph HOLLOWAY's death.
Noting you name and the origin of the HOLLOWAY brothers, I wonder, emsworth, if you and I are cousins-by-marriage - very distant cousins anyway!
I have in my tree a Gawen HOLLOWAY who married my 3G-aunt Martha Ann MIDLANE in 1802 at Brockhampton Chapel. Martha died at Emsworth in 1808 and is buried at Warblington. I have access to interesting booklet which is a publication of The Catholic Record Society and includes the registers of the chapel at Brockhampton and the correspondence of the priest. There are a number of mentions of HOLLOWAYs but I have only photocopied references to my MIDLANE ancestors. I'm very happy to have another look if you think it would be useful. I don't want to hijack this thread so PM me if you would like further information.
I see this thread which mentions Gawen as the brother of a Joseph HOLLOWAY. ::) Looking further I see you have contributed to the thread.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=640646.msg4876368#msg4876368
Judith
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I see this reference but i couldn't find the quote re Joseph HOLLOWAY in the book - might have missed it as I only scanned it quickly.
https://archive.org/details/historyofbendigo00mack
Judith
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Having stupidly forgotten that this thread was running last year I started another.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=676510.new;topicseen#new
The new thread adds little to this one except a TROVE article which shows that Joseph HOLLOWAY borrowed money - 2000pounds - and died owing about 1300pounds which was not recovered, leaving his guarantor owing the debt.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4800346
Judith
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Thanks for the information. Poor Joseph! Shot at by bandits and losing his brother. Presumably he died before making his fortune. £10000 was a huge sum then. Were you interested in Gawen Holloway he finished up bankrupt too.
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The book I have, that I mentioned before, has some recollections as well as the transcripts of BMDs for the RC parish. I have only photocopied the BMD pages for my MIDLANE family but the biographical section quotes a letter of recollections written by Sister Mary Maurus Corney O.S.B. (dau of Charles F Corney and Susanna Bulbeck), who was brought up in the area. Her address is St Mary's Priory, Princethorpe near Rugby, and the letter is dated May, 1915.
It doesn't seem to fit the known events though.
Emsworth
Of late years there were not many Catholics there.
Mrs Goen? Holloway
Her son died young at Old Hall (or soon after he left it). a Daughter married Mr John Snook of Bedhampton, in the end she and her daughter gave up the church all together (after the new church was built) through shame!
Would this be the marriage referred to? If so the writer of the letter could hardly have known these people personally although I do see a death for Maria Augusta SNOOK (b abt 1807)1889 in Chelsea London.
John Snooks, also indexed as John SNOOKE
Marriage: 9 Jul 1829, Warblington,Hampshire,England
Spouse: Mary Augusta Holloway
Did Gawen marry again?
Just curious. :-\
The book I quote from is
The Registers of Brockhampton,
Publications of the Catholic Record Society, pb 1949
Judith