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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Quido on Tuesday 12 November 13 16:01 GMT (UK)
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Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Hoping not to make this too long but giving you as much info as possible.
Trying to trace the history prior to marriage of Louisa Mildred Tracey b. Dublin 22.2.1875. Had a sister Catherine and were orphaned following their mother's death about 1865 ish, and the death of their father in a steamroller accident. The girls were raised and worked in the home of Sir Ralph Cusack Furry Park, Dublin.
Louisa's mother was an educated woman known as a 'Bob Lady' who visited homes providing a letter writing service and we think that it was through this that the girls came to the attention of Sir Ralph.
Louisa married William Crook b. Salford 17.12.1872 (Parents William & Rachel)
1st. child Louisa Mildred b. Salford 1898. Fiver further children Rachel, William, Robert, Alice and George. Another child Edith died as a baby . . . all born Cork Ireland.
Have 1911 Irish census indicating married abt. 1897 . . . confirmed by Golden Wedding Salford 1947. Cannot find a marriage ref. in England. Had 3 possible for Dublin but a waste of 25euros.
There is an Irish court ref. in 1906 of some infringement involving a donkey. But it's the marriage certificate for Louisa & William and any history prior that we are hopeful for.
William at some time was possibly a RN Stoker attached to HM Victory Barracks Portsmouth, possibly before they settled in Ireland.
Wlliam & Louisa lived in Cork until they returned and settled in Salford about 1920.
All help, hints and advice, greatly appreciated.
Warm regards.
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... Louisa Mildred Tracey b. Dublin 22.2.1875. Had a sister Catherine and were orphaned following their mother's death about 1865 ish, and the death of their father in a steamroller accident. The girls were raised and worked in the home of Sir Ralph Cusack Furry...
If Louisa was born in 1875 her mother must have died much later than '1865ish.'
Will have a look for the marriage but could you tell us which 3 were not correct so that they can be discounted.
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Apologies and thanks Aghadowey . . . Should have been 1883 ish.
The 3 references checked and rejected
1) Jan-Mar 1897 Dublin Sth. Vol 2 Pg. 651
2) Jan-Mar 1897 Rathdown. Vol 2 Pg. 839
3) Oct-Dec 1896. Dublin Sth. Vol 2 Pg. 511
Warm Regards
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Hi There
Were Louisa's parents called Malcolm Tracey and Catherine Harrison ?
Is so is it this couple that you are looking for info on or just their daughter Louisa ?
Tara
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Thanks Tara,
We know nothing at all about Louisa other than her date and place of birth and that she had a sister Catherine. Her mother died when she was about 8 and the rest of the history is as posted.
So anything at all would be wonderful. What led you to these names and made you think they could be the girls parents.?
Warm Regrds
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I'd say Tara asked because of this baptism record (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/reels/st.nicholas_mf_1870-1880_ba_0228.pdf) from St. Nicholas' RC Church on July 09 1875
10th on the list, #874 is Louisa TRACY, DoB Feb 22 1875
(F) Malcolm TRACY ; (M) Catherine HARRISON;
Address: 26 Hanover Lane
Sponsors: William and Alicia HINCH
I don't see a baptism for a Catherine TRACY (any spelling) or a marriage for Malcolm and Catherine
However there is a death record (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FT3K-P2C) for a Catherine TRACEY in 1882 aged 40 which ties with Louisa being aged 8; this may be worth a look
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Thank you so much . . . . . But Louisa Mildred definitely Church of Ireland. Is there a reference for that death record for Catherine Tracey? That may be promising.
Regards. Q
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There are two Catherine Tracey's buried in Glasnevin in 1882 one aged 40 in a standard grave and one aged 53 in an extended grave now comes the fun part it's anagram time again both have the exact same letters as part of their address.
B D E H I K L N O R S T U W.
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Could it be North Dublin Workhouse ??
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It was not unusual for a person to be baptised in a RC church but brought up CoI
Often indicates a mixed marriage
The fact the birth date is exact and so long before the baptism (very unusual for a catholic) I wouldn't rule this out
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Hi There
You seem to know a lot about Louisa's parents yet from what I can gather you don't know their names ..... would that be right ?
How can you be so sure that Louisa was born COI if you don't know who her parents really were ?
I can't see any Louisa and William matches !
Do you have her on a 1901 census ?
What happened her sister Catherine ?
Tara
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This seems to be them in 1911 in Cork (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__2/Harpurs_Lane/391841/)
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Now. . . .that's food for thought.
I know that Louisa was a devout COI till her death in 1962, and that her children were raised COI. Haven't found any Bap. Records yet though.
But I hadn't considered that her parents could have been of mixed faith. Can you suggest a way forward with this?
And has anyone heard the expression 'Bob Lady' before?
Thanks to everyone for the help and advice so far
Warm Regards
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Hi Tara,
I know that Louisa Mildred married William Crook 1897 . . . Golden Wedding Salford 1947 . . . .but don't know where they married or precise date.
Raised by her Grandmother, I have an account from Louisa's Grandaughter of the lives of William and Louisa when they lived in Cork and there was a certain amount of travelling round singing for their supper. I cannot find them in any 1901 census. But have the 1911. The dates I have given come from Louisa's Grandaughter.
Louisa told her Grandaughter the story of the Bob Lady and of her father being killed in a steamroller accident! And that she had a sister Catherine, but no names for her parents. Also the connection with the Cusack family.
My feeling is that William was in the Navy, there is a suggestion that he was attached to HM Victory Barracks Portsmouth as a Stoker/ERA. But no confirmation.
Their first child was born Salford Lancs 1898 the other children in Cork. So possibly if William was stationed Portsmouth Louisa lived with the Crook family in Salford for the birth of her baby. . . . But returned to Cork for the birth of their second child abt 1902. Possibly the naval connection ended at this point. They remained in Cork till about 1920.
Finding Louisa and William's marriage cert and something about Louisa's parents would mean so much.
Warm Regards. Q
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Hi There
I'll be honest in saying that this sounds like a tricky and sensitive one.
That baptism that myself and my luck are talking about really looks like a good match BUT it certainly has a lot of questions attached to it.
I take it Louisa is your direct ancestor and that she passed on the stories re her parents !
Have you any proof to back them up as sometimes when children were orphaned young their recollections in late years can be a bit 'altered'.
Tara
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Sorry you say in your last message that she was raised by her grandmother ..... I thought you said she was reared by the Cusacks ?
Do you know how come Louisa ended up in England ?
Was there ever any mention of what happened her sister ?
Re the certs that you got ... what names were given for the husbands ?
T
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The actual registers for that parish are available. Not sure if you have seen it but here is the baptism in question.
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/reels/st.nicholas_mf_1870-1880_ba_0228.pdf (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/reels/st.nicholas_mf_1870-1880_ba_0228.pdf)
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Thank you so much for that link for the Baptism.
Her full names were Louisa Mildred . . . So would it be usual to be baptized Louisa without the Mildred?
Just to be clear I am researching on behalf of Louisa's Grandaughter who was raised by her Grandmother Louisa Mildred Crook (née Tracey) and it is the stories passed from Grandmother to Grandaughter together with the few dates and census facts that I have, that I have posted here. There is no knowledge as to what happened to Catherine. But after the death of both parents the two girls were taken into the home of Sir Ralph Cusack where they were well treated. Don't even know how far apart were the parents deaths but that the eldest little girl would have been about 8.
No idea how Louisa met Wlliam Crook . . . . .but if he was RN perhaps a ship had docked. . . . Dublin or even Cork.
Don't know anything about Catherine or the Tracey parents. Or where Louisa and William married.
But I do feel that you are nudging me in the right direction. So I am hopeful.
Louisa passed on the story to her grandaughter that as a small child she would accompany her mother visiting houses offering the letter writing service.
Thanks for all suggestions and help so far . . . . .and hopefully what is yet to come.
Same Regards. Q
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This could be baby Edith ?
Area - DUBLIN (COI) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. WERBURGH
Baptism of EDITH CROOKE of 15 GOLDEN LANE on 19 December 1900
Name EDITH CROOKE
Date of Birth 12 November 1900
Address 15 GOLDEN LANE
Father WILLIAM CROOKE
Mother LOUISA CROOKE
Further details in the record
Father Occupation LABOURER
the image
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/reels/d-326-2-1-103.pdf (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/reels/d-326-2-1-103.pdf)
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Thought the same halfpenny - just put links to all the family together for consistency:
Links to online Records in blue
1898 Louisa Mildred b. Salford - on paid UK records
1900 Edith Birth Dublin South (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBVV-MPD); Baptism (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/reels/d-326-2-1-103.pdf); Death 1900 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FT62-LZL)
1902 Rachel Marian b. Cork (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBKH-SMD)
1905 William assumed from 1911 census
There is a birth in rootsireland (F) William (M) L TRACY in Tipperary; this could be a possibility
1909 Robert assumed from 1911 census no birth obvious online record
1911 Alice b. Cork (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FB5V-J68)
1914 George b. Cork (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBT9-Q2W)
I have not come across the phrase "bob lady" but have read of people writing letters for others
It tended to be connected to the military and immigration though rather than in Dublin
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Edith Crook age 1 month Golden Lane buried Glasnevin 1900.
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IF there was confusion as to Louisa's birth religion it MIGHT be possible that she and William didn't marry ..... this is not a defo just a possibility !
Tara
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Thanks everyone, especially the info about Edith.
We knew she died on a Christmas morning . . . just didn't know which one. It also places William and Louisa in 1900. We know that they're in Cork for Rachel's birth 1902 . . . so you've norrowed the time frame
Now if you'll all just perform another miracle and tell me where Louisa and William married. . . . Christmas will have come early.
Warm Regards