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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: magicmermaid on Monday 11 November 13 22:50 GMT (UK)
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Hello My great great uncle Robert Andrew Quinn immigrate in 1913 from Co Down in N Ireland. He married Mary and had several children the youngest was called Thomas Henry and clara M. In the 1930 census Robert is 44 and his daughter is 4.It mentions a place where they lived called Wilkinsburg. I am trying to trace my ancestors who may still be living in this area. Robert Andrew Quinns father was called Thomas Quinn and he was my grandmothers grandpa. Robert had a brother called george who was killed in the shipyard in a very tragic accident. He was my mothers grandpa.
This family of Quinns back home resided in east Belfast and some in Robert's home town of Newtownards. Does this ring a bell with anyone out there? :)
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This looks like the family at 46 Hay Street Wilkinsburg, Allegheny, Pennsylvania in 1940
Robert A Quinn 52 Mary A Quinn 52
Florence Quinn 24 Mary V Quinn 22
Thomas H Quinn 18 Clara M Quinn 14
Sandra
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Deleted - later information is more conclusive.
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thank you so much for that information sandra its a good start. Not sure how I would go about trying this address. chances are the family could have moved away.. can you recommend any means of trying to trace the family. :)
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Deleted - later information is more conclusive.
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Will definitely try and get in touch, i cannot find an e-mail address but I have got a fax number and can get i touch that way. Gosh this could be going somewhere. Thank yo so much sandra for all your help. ;)
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Marriages of the daughters:
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3AQuinn~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3ARobert~%20%2Bfather_surname%3AQuinn~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AMary~%20%2Bmother_surname%3AOrr~
Also the birth of the 2nd daughter with parents' names is given below the 3 daughters' marriages.
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Another possibility for Thomas H Quinn:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JPDT-XN5
Burial:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=60799375
This cemetery also has a Robert A Quinn and a Mary Quinn; Richard C and Mary Q Hall;
and Roy M Jenkins.
Funeral Home Page: http://www.jeffersonmemorial.biz/index.php
Florence Q Jenkins: http://www.tributes.com/show/Florence-Q.-Jenkins-91831020
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Great information which enables me to send the family an email to check are they the connection i am looking for. will keep you posted on how it is all going. Thank you Sandra and to Genealiza for all the searches you have made. I am overwhelmed at this information. ;D
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Great finds - well done Genealiza.
This was the SSDI record for Richard C Hall husband of Mary. Richard C. Hall - Born 9 Feb 1918
Died 28 Jan 2009 - Last Residence 15147 Verona, Allegheny, Pennsylvania. SSN was issued in
Pennsylvania (Before 1951)
The entry for Mary did not give last residence :- Mary Q. Hall Born 14 Apr 1917 and died 28 Mar 1992
Sandra
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Believe this to be Roy M. Jenkins born 5 th July 1918 and died 12 Jun 1996
Last Residence 15102 Bethel Park, Allegheny, Pennsylvania.
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, City Directory, 1958 - Roy M Jenkins - emp Duquesne Light Co r 2405 Morrow Pl Bethel Pk
Think this might be a match - Florence Q Jenkins born 21 Aug 1915 died 16 Jun 2011
Last Residence 15102 Bethel Park, Allegheny. SSN was in issued Pennsylvania (Before 1951)
Found an address :- 2405 Morrow Pl, Bethel Park, PA, 15102-2129
Listed Paul Henney Memorial Chapel Inc :- http://www.henneyfuneralhome.com/obituaries_2.php
http://opencorporates.com/companies/us_pa/2980562
Sandra
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1940 census shows Roy Jenkins and parents living on Morrow Place, Bethel, Allegheny, Pennsylvania. Middle initial "M" = Maul - maiden surname of his mother.
Gomer L Jenkins 54
Ida M Jenkins 56
Roy M Jenkins 21 Born PA. 3rd year college.
Catherine Ann Jenkins 18
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KQZB-D92
Sandra
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Robert A Quinn
Wilkinsburg, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
this is all the family that are connected to me. My great great uncle was called Robert Andrew Quinn and not Thomas as a middle name although his father was called thomas but he is on the NI census 1901 and 1911 named as Robert Andrew. Is this still the same family connections ..sorry to confuse matters..
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I've just replied to another of your posts and then found this one. Cut and paste from sources such as LDS site is not allowed but these Quinns list their birthplace as Irish Free State and you said yours were from County Down (Northern Ireland).
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Quinn family from Pennsylvania place called Wilkinsburg. Roberet Andrew quinn immagrated form newtownards Co down. Northern Ireland when he was about 24 years of age. His father was called Thomas and his mum elizabeth. his brothers were called frederick Loftus, william henry and George was my great grandfather. He had 2 sisters who were Clara and Lizzie. Robert Andrew immagrated as a single man with a fella from his town surname Pool. I have got information which could be the family of Quinns that I am looking for.
Topics on same family merged. Cut and pasted portion of census removed for copyright reasons. ~ moderator
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the father is the only one from co down he immagrated to USA aged 24 he married in america and had his family there..I have mentioned his place of birth and town to see if it triggars a memory from anyone out there.
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Then perhaps this is not them i got help with this information from a local man who is very interested in all of tihis. Would he be listed as Co down and not Irish state.
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The census taker in 1930 was supposed to distinguish between Irish Free State and Northern Ireland, as explained here - http://www.archives.gov/research/census/1930/general-faqs.html
Sometimes, the census taker or the person giving the information will make an error. However, given the common names you are dealing with, I think you need further information aside from the census to verify if this is the right family.
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The WW1 Draft for Robert Andrew Quinn born February 10th 1888 Newtownards County Down Ireland. Occupation:- Machinist. Had a wife and 2 children. Lived at 1123 Newport Avenue. Chicago.
Dated June 5 th 1917.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K6DD-BS2
Robert Quinn - 10 Feb 1888 Died Nov 1972
Last Residence 15102 Bethel Park, Allegheny, Pennsylvania.
Sandra
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The details I have is that his 1st 2 children where born in Illinois and the last 2 where born in Pennyalvania, is Illinois part of Chicago, My geography not very good sandra.
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This looks like the family in 1920 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MFRW-VW6
I see naturalization records from Pennsylvania that fit the date and place of birth on the WWI draft registration card. It says he sailed on the Cameronia from Derry to New York, arriving 30 Dec. 1912. You can see the passenger list for free at www.ellisisland.org.
His WWII draft registration card is here - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VQN7-KQQ
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yes that rings a bell the ships name was called that..so he was in the army..its strange that i found more information on him on rememberance day :)
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US Naturalization for Robert Andrew Quinn 10 Feb 1888 - Naturalization Date 8 Jun 1921 - Western District, Pennsylvania. Robert living in Wilkinsburg PA. Occupation:- Machinist. Immigrated to the USA from Derry 21 st December 1912 - arrived New York 30 December 1912 on the Cameronia. Travelled with Samuel Pooley.
Declared intention to become a citizen of United States 7th April 1919. Wife's name is Mary born 3 rd June 1887 Ireland. Has 2 children Florence born August 21 st 1915 Chicago Illinois and Minnie April 14th 1917 Chicago Illinois.
Sandra
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:-* u definately have them sandra this is all his wee family that perhaps some of the Quinns would hve known about ahh its sad too as my grandmother had all these cousins and her aunt and uncle whom she never met face to face. Well thats them and I think I will stick with this information and will be in touch with you very soon. big big thank you for helping me find out more information on them as people can be forgotten about. And i am very proud that he became a soldier too. Will take steps with ur guidance on best way to locate any living relatives. Be in touch very soon :-*
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All men of a certain age were required to fill out a draft registration card. It doesn't mean that they were actually drafted or ever served in the military. The 1930 census has line to indicate if the man was a veteran, and Robert's says he was not a veteran. The WWII draft registration cards available to the public currently include older men, few of whom were actually drafted.
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Then he perhaps may not ahve served in the army but if he was buried in a military graveyard I suppose that would indicate that he prob would have served. How would you find this out? :)
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In reference to someone buried in a military graveyard, are you referring to Sandra's first post about a Thomas H Quinn who was buried in a military graveyard? If so, data seems to show that there was another Thomas H Quinn, on the western side of the state of Pennsylvania, who is buried in Jefferson Memorial Park, Pleasant Hills, Allegheny County, PA. He is buried there, along with his parents, Robert A and Mary, a couple of bros-in-law, and a sister, Mary Q Hall. Another sister, Florence, may also have been buried there since her husband, Roy M Jenkins, is there, but may not have yet been entered in the database at www.findagrave.com.
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yes I was starting to get father and son mixed up and thought perhaps Robert quinn was in the army as his details are logged into world war 1 and 2 registration cards..I am easily confused .com most of the time but now realise it was his son that may have been from military background. Thank you once again for helping me clear things up. The family seem to be in a family plot which certainly makes it easier for me to find them all. You have been a star! I will get on the ball again and see what else comes up.. first thing is to look for their grave..will keep you posted. :)
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got unto find a grave and they will pop out to take a pic of their grave ..If Thomas Henry is buried with his parents then he may not have been married. If he was military would he have had to be buried in the military section or not? :)
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I don't believe we've found any indication that Thomas H Quinn, son of Robert A Quinn, served in the military. The Draft Registration Cards for his age group have yet to be uploaded to the web. There are 2 or 3 Thomas H Quinns who did enlist for WWII, but none of them has yet to be proven to be your T H Quinn.
*modified: his obit, on next page, states that he joined the Army in 1944
In reply to your last post, a serviceman can be buried anywhere his family wants: i.e. a military cemetery or cemetery near their home. He can still be buried near his parents and be married. There are about 11 female Quinns buried in Jefferson Memorial Park cemetery.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSiman=1&GScid=45197&GSfn=&GSln=Quinn
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Hi Magicmermaid,
Don't think Thomas is buried with his parents, if you look at the references. It looks as if Robert A Quinn and Mary Quinn were buried in location :-
Plot: Section G33 ASCENSION Lot 168C
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wv5/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wv6/
Thomas H Quinn is buried in location :-
Section MJM JEFFERSON MAUSOLEUM & WCE Tier/Lev 177AA
There is a Lucille C Quinn buried in a similar reference - could this be the wife of Thomas ?
Plot: Section MJM JEFFERSON MAUSOLEUM & WCE Tier/Lev 177A
Sandra
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If this is indeed Thomas' wife, then here is some more information:
http://www.episcopalpgh.org/lucille-c-quinn/
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Private message sent re. email address of son of Lucille C Quinn
also information on personal resume of above son
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Obit of Thomas H Quinn:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=20010725&id=41gzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=c3ADAAAAIBAJ&pg=2313,3535091
So, according to the obit, he enlisted in the Army in 1944, just after the invasion of Normandy and
served as a medic in France, Germany, and the Pacific.
Born in Wilkinsburg, PA, the son of Irish immigrants
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:P gosh what information i am crossing my fingers that you have stuck Gold! What i will do is email him as he will be the one to fill in the caps if this the family I am looking for. Brilliant research Whoop whoop ...Hope to be onto this asap
Big big thanks folks :)
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PM message for last name of Lucille Quinn nee Stafford. Her sister, Martha Stafford Whipps, was also interred in Jefferson Memorial Park.
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As per usual, Sandra, Shelly, and Genealiza have left no stone unturned in uncovering the Quinn family. I can add very little other than a few bits of clarifying information.
First, Robert Quinn's registration for the U.S. draft does not mean that he served in the Army, as someone has pointed out. Older men were required the register for the draft in 1942, but the draft had been in effect since 1940 for younger men. There were three previous drafts from 1940 onward, going from younger to older men. The draft records of younger men have not been released because many of those who registered are still alive.
Second, if you are interested in having a copy of Robert Quinn's draft record from 1942, you have to download two images. When the draft records of a few counties in Pennsylvania were microfilmed in the 1950s or so, there was a foul up in the ordering of the cards. The reverse side of one man's card was microfilmed with the front of another man's card.
Thus, if you scroll down on Robert Quinn's draft registration image (#3087) to look at the reverse side of the card, you'll see that the last line has Philadelphia, Pennsylvania as the place of registration. To see the actual reverse of Robert's card, you have to click on the forward arrow above the images and go to card #3088--and scroll to the bottom of that, which has Wilkinsburg as the place of registration. Download both images.
Wilkinsburg, incidentally, borders the city of Pittsburgh on the east. Robert Quinn's occupation in the 1940 census is "bench hand" "electric appl." The towns next to Wilknisburg had some of the largest industrial companies in the U.S. Robert might very well have worked for one of them/ Perhaps it was Westinghouse Electric Co., which was very big in household appliances like refrigerators, washing machines and dryers, and radios.
Third, even though son Thomas Quinn served in the U.S. Army in World War II, he is not buried in a military cemetery. The Pittsburgh area's military cemetery is called the National Cemetery of the Alleghenies (referring to the Allegheny Mountains, which are east of Pittsburgh). Jefferson Memorial Park is located a few miles from where, according to his obituary, Thomas Quinn lived: Scott Township. Scott Township is located south of Pittsburgh and is a very affluent area.
According to Thomas' obituary, he did very well for himself. He had his own accounting agency, he was the accountant for the borough of Thornburg, which is near Pittsburgh, and he was the controller of a large department store chain in downtown Pittsburgh. His son who became a minister is at a church in Crafton, which is several miles to the northwest of Scott Township.
Regards,
John :o :o :o
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Thanks Johnnyboy For your input that too has proved most helpful to me. I did e-mail the son of Thomas and am still waiting a reply. he may not be interested. but would be nice if he acknowledges it. :D