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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: calmar on Monday 11 November 13 13:17 GMT (UK)
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Any help need to trace this man's death.
Possibly in Australia as he sailed from Dover Kent in 1904 as a ships steward, so paid his way across. He was born 1864 in Gibraltar and lived with his wife Mary Strood until 1901 census in Dover Kent, which is where I am struggling to trace him
Mary was housekeeper in 1911 to another man, but no sign of William.
There is a 1914 record for a William Woodruff in Wilmot Tasmania, Could this be him.
It doesn't help me when both country or date is not shown on these Electoral rolls!
Regards,
Desperate,
Calmar :)
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Do you have Williams Parents names? There is only one death on NSW BDM of a William WOODRUFF between 1905 and 1982.
Neil
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Hello Neil.
Yes I do have his parents names. They are William Woodruff and Mary Browne. Mary was born Ireland and William born Derbyshire.
Regards,
:)
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There is additional info on this thread too.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=667611.msg5127831#msg5127831
He sailed to Oz in October 1905.
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I cannot access Tasmanian BDM as they don't have an online search facility. Each State in Australia have their own records there is no one National Library of BDM's. So he may have moved on from Tasmania?
Hopefully someone with access to a hard copy of records may come along and check.
Neil
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This seems to be funeral notice for the man at Blessington in electoral roll - funeral is in 1923
WOODRUFF.-Funeral of the late Mr. William Woodruff, of Hobart (late of
Blessington) will arrive at Church of England Cemetery, Evandale, This Day
(Friday), at 11 a.m.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article23658838
Possibly the same man
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article23519444
I haven't found a death notice yet ...
regards,
Ros
adding : William Woodruff 17 Aug 1923 Evandale, Tasmania reg 2519
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I am confused when you say he paid his own way - surely they paid him if he was a steward :o
If he was a crew member you may find him here on mariners and crew in Australian Waters http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/
cheers,
Ros
The ship was the Coolgardie and they have several 1905 trips transcribed but not at the end of the year :(
And then at the end of 1906. Just looking to see if he continued to work for them ...
Here's W Woodruff as a second steward on the Monaro age 42 from London in 1909 http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1909/08/001mon.htm (several more trips for him on Monaro in1909)
and in 1910 http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1910/01/012mon.htm
And here's a W Woodruff in 1902, chief steward, age 40 from Deal
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1902/09/088bri.htm
Well I will leave you to browse ... looks like he continued to go back and forth perhaps?
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Four people with the surname WOODRUFF are living in the Evandale district in 1914 according to the Electoral Rolls
These two share a non=specific address of Blessington, Evandale
WOODRUFF, William, no occupation
WOODRUFF, Matilda Ann. HD's
Another two at Evandale are
WOODRUFF, William Charles
WOODRUFF, Thomas.
The roll shows the same in 1919 and 1922.
William woodruff, Labourer of Blessington applies to have his 4 children put into care. His wife has left him.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/45843347?searchTerm="William woodruff" +evandale&searchLimits=l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*
Examiner Thursday 19 December 1907
There are other items including some for WILLIAM CHARLES, mostly to do with charges of vagrancy.
This is a funeral Notice for William WOODRUFF
1923
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/23658838?searchTerm="William woodruff" +evandale&searchLimits=l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*
The four children seem to make it unlikely this is your chap.
Sue
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Another article dated 30th December 1921 has a William Woodruff of Evandale locked up for vagrancy as a YOUNG MAN. ???
I see no reason for the poster to believe that the William WOODRUFF sought ever stayed in Australia. He could have gone back to England or indeed anywhere.
Neil
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Another article dated 30th December 1921 has a William Woodruff of Evandale locked up for vagrancy as a YOUNG MAN. ???
I see no reason for the poster to believe that the William WOODRUFF sought ever stayed in Australia. He could have gone back to England or indeed anywhere.
Neil
I believe the 1921 item refers to WILLLIAM CHARLES WOODRUFF.
He had many charges of vagrancy.
The 1907 item refers to the older William WOODRUFF.
Sue
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From linked thread...
There is an 1864 b William Woodruff (aged 41) travelling out to Sydney Australia on 16 Oct 1905 on the Coolgarlie ,as a general steward,original location Kent.
He did not sail to Sydney in 1905. The information has been misinterpreted. Kent is the crew persons place of birth on the manifest or in this case, Of What Town.
The information has come from an online subscription site that shows crew as unassisted immigrants ::) ::).
W WOODRUFF born c1864 41 years Origin Kent.
Port of Departure - Geraldton, Fremantle, Adelaide and Melbourne
These are Australian Ports
Port of Arrival Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date 16 Oct 1905
Vessel Name COOLGARDIE not Coolgarlie.
http://www.flotilla-australia.com/images/coolgardie-a637078r.jpg
The COOLGARDIE was a coastal trader only and did not sail between the UK and Australia. My grandfather was a marine engineer and worked on the coastal traders prior to his marriage in 1910. He was on the COOLGARDIE between 1899 and 1903. He is listed as crew on many other vessels on that website.
Many of the records on the linked site are for coastal traders only. You need to note the port of departure when viewing the scans.
Cando
Edited to add Of What Town to manifest information.
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It doesn't help me when both country or date is not shown on these Electoral rolls!
Not only is the state, but the year, electoral division and sub divisons are shown on the Australian Electoral Rolls. The electors full address and occupation is also listed.
Cando
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So a William WOODRUFF not John W WOODRUFF who was born in Kent not DERBYSHIRE Worked on a coastal trader out of perth the COOLGARDIE not Coolgarlie in 1905 and did not sail from Dover in 1905 as a Navvy or in the Navy but as a ships steward.
All this wonderful information from a paid subscription site, wow :o
Neil :-\
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Your person of interest is William WOODRUFF on the 1891 census and John W WOODRUFF on the 1901. Just because Ancestry gives the hint it may be the same man on the COOLGARDIE in 1905 as crew from Geraldton WA to Sydney NSW and on the electoral roll in Tasmania, doesn’t prove it is your man. Have you searched for his death in the UK? It is possible he may have changed his name if he had deserted his family.
Cando
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Any help need to trace this man's death.
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Regards,
Desperate,
Calmar :)
Have you eliminated this chap?
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
1930, March Quarter, WOODRUFF, John W, 65, Darlington 10a 26
Cheers, JM
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Thank you all very much for your observations on my gt uncle, the rascal!!!
You seem to have come to the same conclusions as myself, ie can't say for definite where he lived and died after 1905 when he left his wife and children. I am now leaning towards Rosball's comment in that he may have moved around in the English ports/towns and I suppose could have moved as far as London area. BUT I haven't found a death for him so far, hence my trying the Australian search.
The chap William Charles in NE England is not mine. I traced a William Woodruff from that area also who did not fit either.
William was actually christened John William but is always referred to as William when he reached maturity.
In 1901 he is listed as a Navvy on census so if he continued that line of work he could have moved around quite a lot!! I had wondered if he was still a reserve for the forces as well, but nothing shows for him. 1891 has him as a Ships Stoker.
He was also not with his father in 1901 in Sheffield. He did have two sisters who went to USA but does not appear to be living with either of them at this time.
Again my thanks for your responses. Looks like it will have to be left - death not known.
Kind regards,
Calmar
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Now why would anyone want to do that, give up. ::)
Just when we found his correct name and that he was married lived in Kent, worked on ships and possibly roads. Did not go to Australia, one less continent ;D Did have sisters ? who went to America, had Parents William and Mary who died where ? when ?. Also that he left his wife sometime prior to 1904 and also his children ? and ? and ?
Now where did he go at age c38?
Neil
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Neil, I do not want to give up but my efforts to find him have not been conclusive and it also seems that others are having the same problems as I have done! :(.
Just to give a brief summary to interested parties who like a challenge!
John William was actually born in Gibraltar in 1864 when his father (William) was a soldier in the 3rd Reg of Foot (The Buffs).
Mary, his wife, died in 1952 in Kent.
Parents both died in Sheffield, Yorkshire, William, his father in 1918 and Mary, his mother in 1893.
He wasn't with them when they moved to Sheffield and I haven't found him in this area with my searches for other siblings.
The two sisters in USA are Ravina?Rovina born Dublin 1868 and Ada Kathleen born Dover 1874. Ada came back to Dover a couple of times with her husband and her daughter. No sign of him then.
I appreciate all help given and will keep looking myself, but my experience is not brilliant so the need to ask you lovely people out there to assist me.
Kind regards,
Calmar
:)
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=497584.0 ( a current thread on the Australian Board re John William WOODRUFF, Did he emigrate to Australia???)
Hi there,
Back in Nov 2010, Dundee posted on the above thread (re the Passenger and Crew lists on Ancestry, and Calmar’s query re a Steward on a ship going to Australia in 1905
“Hi Calmar,
I don’t think this is your man. I followed W. WOODRUFF around the country as a steward and he always has the same details including being born in Kent (one entry says Deale). In 1907 he is named as Walter WOODRUFF. ….. Walter does appear on the Victorian 1914 electoral roll as a steward.”
Like Neil, I don't like to see RChatters "give up" so I spent some considerable time last evening searching through the mariners website and was about to post my results this morning, when I decided to check if any RChatter was looking for a Walter WOODRUFF and I THEN ::) discovered I have been duplicating :-X :-X the efforts undertaken by Dundee back three years ago.
May I simply note that I concur with Dundee's post; it seems to me that the chap on the coastal traders was known by his given name of Walter.
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/
Cheers, JM
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Well I never!! I had forgotten that thread JM. Must be getting old. ;D
However, I have now got some concrete evidence for William and his wife. They separated about 1903, he having left her and she had to go into the workhouse with children. It is in the newspaper for Dover so that solves that little problem. But that still leaves his death!!!! ???
My thanks to you for looking for me.
Kind regards,
Calmar
:)
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They still had workhouses in 1903 ???
Anyway.... How do you know he left her about 1903, could it have been earlier? Also how many children, their ages, birth year, christian name, did Mary remarry at anytime? So sorry about all the questions but we need to get a better handle on what went on :P
When you say on other threads about ruling out people by that name, how did you go about that? Reason I say this is people change, marriages fall apart, sometimes no ones fault, but one walks off never to see the kids again or do they ;) Sometimes we THINK we know what happened then blow us down it wasn't that at all, just looked that way.
If you could fill some gaps I believe I have a couple of possibles. MAYBE ::)
Neil