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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: gaynor50 on Sunday 10 November 13 02:56 GMT (UK)
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Lookup needed to justify my research about parents the of William Allen from Pewsey/Wilcot parish who married Sarah Thorngate in Wilcot in Dec 1846 and came with their daughter Jane to Victoria in 1856.
William's second marriage to a Martha Creber in Victoria lists his parents to be Stephen Allen and Hannah.
I have a marriage of Stephen Allen to an Anna Bolding 5 Feb 1818 in Milton Lilbourne which states Anna Bolding was a widow. I believe her name was in fact Hannah nee Sloper who married Stephen Bolding 12 Oct 1811 in Milton Lilbourne and that later in life she just used the first name of Anna? Anna Bolding married Stephen Allen 5 Feb 1818 in Milton Lilbourne and then can be found in the 1841 Census in Wilcot, Wiltshire. I have a couple of deaths prior to her second marriage for deceased husband Stephen Bolding but I think there was a Senior and Junior and cannot tell which death would be the correct one.
I have three children that I think that Stephen Allen and Hannah/Anna Sloper may have had which would be George, William and a Stephen Henry but there could be more?
Any help would be gratefully accepted as the Australian section of the family have never known anything for their family prior to asking me for some help.
Cheers :D
Gaynor50
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A Stephen Bolding was buried @ Milton Lilbourne (which is near Pewsey) on 4/7/1815 aged 66.
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Sorry, didn't realise you had mentioned Milton Lilbourne in your title. Hannah Sloper, spinster 30 married Stephen Bolding, bachelor 58, on 3 Oct 1811, @ Milton Lilbourne.
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Thank you jrc11... :-*………..It's great to have the ages of Hannah Sloper and Stephen Bolding I was wondering what the age of the Stephen that died in 1815 was and it was great to hear that Hannah Sloper was 30 years old as that would pretty much go with the second marriage age to Stephen Allen ion the 5 Feb 1818 in Milton Lilbourne……………..Would you have any information on the second marriage about ages or if their was a transcription error with the Anna Bolding (I am so hoping it will be Hannah Bolding nee Sloper) that married Stephen Allen and they are both the same person……Cheers From Gaynor50
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Sorry I have been unable to find any additional information. Did William Allen have a brother Stephen? If so This may be the family in the 1851 census.
ALLEN, Stephen Head Married M 72 1779 Farmer
Pewsey, Wiltshire, England
ALLEN, Anna Wife Married F 68 1783
Bourton, Wiltshire, England
LEWIS, Mary Anna Visitor Married F 30 1821 Wife
Pewsey, Wiltshire, England
ALLEN, Stephen Hy Son W M 29 1822 Farmers Son
Pewsey, Wiltshire, England
KIMBER, Ann Servant Unmarried F 19 1832 House Servant
Pewsey, Wiltshire, England
I do not know of a Bourton - Anna's place of birth, in Wiltshire or the meaning of the W which is the "Condition" column for Stephen jnr. Widower perhaps?
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Hi jrc11……………..This is whom I believe to be the parents not the brother as William was born abt between 1823/1826 and whom I believe to be the mother "Anna" is her "also known as" and should be actually "Hannah"………….in the 1861 Census she is boarding with a Charles Page and it says her birth was Bishop Cannings, Wiltshire, England…….In the 1841 Census - Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1186; Book: 14; Civil Parish: Wilcott; County: Wiltshire; Enumeration District: 11; Folio: 15; Page: 23; Line: 1; GSU roll: 464202………………...it has Stephen and wife "Ann" with daughter Mary and son Stephen…………………….I found William Allen age 15 working as a Agricultural Labourer in 1841 Census - Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1186; Book: 14; Civil Parish: Wilcott; County: Wiltshire; Enumeration District: 11; Folio: 15; Page: 23; Line: 1; GSU roll: 464202…………..The Stephen Henry Allen you noted as "W" (Widow) unfortunately married an Emily Jane nee King and she died in the Oct 1850 quarter Volume 8 Page 277 Registration District Pewsey……..They were married in St Andrew Holborn, London, England on the 16 May 1850…………….Cheers Gaynor50….. :-\
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Family search shows Anna Sloper christened Aug 4 1782 @ Bishops Cannings. Parents Silas & Mary.
Her brother Silas christened 19 Feb 1781
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Hi jrc11…………..Interesting………..I went to look up the marriage in St Andrew, Holborn of the son Stephen Allen that married Emily Jane King and in has in the Witness's an Eliza Jane Sloper King signing as a witness………………sounds promising?………While I was just about to post this I can see that you posted Anna Sloper christening………. ???……….was she actually Anna all along and it was a mistake to write Hannah Sloper as marrying Stephen Bolding as it should have been "Anna"
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http://www.historyhouse.co.uk/placeW/essexw02f.html - found a mention of a Mrs Eliza Jane Sloper King, beer retailer, sewardstone street, in the Post Office Directory of Essex in 1874………..
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Elizabeth Sloper, dau of Silas & Mary was christened 25/12/1783 @ All Cannings. No marriage found. In 1841 census this is possibly her family:
KING, Eliza F 60 1781
KING, William M 25 1816
KING, Lucy F 20 1821
KING, Charllotte F 15 1826
KING, Amelia F 0 (6 months) 1841 Wiltshire
Amelia is dau of Lucy. Lucy m George Sexton in 1851@ Devizes, Chute, St Nicholas
PAINE, Jane F 15 1826
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Hi jrc11……..The Eliza Jane Sloper King's mother is listed as Mary King and she was born in Bishop Cannings so could be perhaps the Mary Sloper first born to Silas and Mary who married the King………..In 1851 Census -Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1704; Folio: 48; Page: 37; GSU roll: 193612………………it has (1) Mary King, Widow, Head, b. 1781 (2) William Sloper King b. abt 1811 in East Lavington, Wiltshire "Son" (3) William King b.1820 in Swallowcliffe, Wiltshire (Son), (4) Eliza J S King b.1825 in Swallowcliffe, Wiltshire (dau), Charles H Allen b. 1850 Pewsey, Wiltshire (Grandson)……..This Charles H Allen seems to live with Eliza J S King in the 1861 & 1871 Census's………………It's been a while since I wrote in Rootschat - Can you tell me the shortcut for making a "New Sentence" line?
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This will help to confuse things. On 18 Jan 1771, Mary King dau of Thomas & Mary was christened @ Bishops Cannings. On 14 April 1776 Mary King dau of William & Mary was christened @ Bishops Cannings. However I presume it should be the birth of Mary Sloper that is relevant. Mary Sloper dau of Silas & Mary was baptised @ Bishops Cannings on 19 Feb 1781. She was a twin of Silas baptised the same day. (I am searching as I write this & have just come acroos the following location quoted "Bishops Cannings (Bourton)" which would appear to clear up the 1851 census birth place). No Sloper/King marriage found.
I do not understand your new sentence query.
Cheers
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Hi jrc11…………..Another possibility would be Mary was a widow when she married a "King"…………and that the listed Charles H Allen "Grandson" to the Head Mary King could have been one of her daughters that married an "Allen" and had a child that was sent to live with them?………I thought of that one just going to sleep last night!!
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I have the baptism book for Pewsey and the William Allen you are looking for does not look as if he was baptised in Pewsey. The William Allen baptised in 1828 to Richard and Anne married and stayed in Wiltshire.
Stephen Allen baptised 7 May 1780 at Pewsey to Stephen and Mary may have been the one that is listed on the census, wife Anna. They had two children baptised at Pewsey, Mary Ann 22 May 1820 and Stephen Henry 11 June 1821.
You need some kind person to look up the marriage in Wilcot.
Regards Heather
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Thank You Heather….. :-*looks like you have the correct one I am looking for in Stephen Allen and Anna nee Sloper and two of their children………you are very kind to have followed that through for me………….If you have been following what jrc11 and I have been looking at last night very late I located who the marriage witness "Eliza Jane Sloper King" in the marriage of Stephen Henry King to Emily Jane King and it is her sister………………Emily Jane King married Stephen Henry Allen 16 May 1850 (totally out of the district in St Holborn) perhaps because she was having a baby Charles Henry Allen at the time……………Emily Jane King died in Oct 1850 in Pewsey and the child Charles Henry Allen went to live with Emily Jane King parents who are John King and Mary nee Sloper………………….now I found the marriages for John and Mary King ………………John King married Mary Cheater 6 May 1817 in Milton Lilbourne both were widows…………………Mary Cheater nee Sloper 1st marriage was to William Cheater on the 12 Nov 1808 in Market Lavington,……I have located the 1841 Census for John and Mary King……….Detail: Class: HO107; Piece: 1186; Book: 16; Civil Parish: Wilsford; County: Wiltshire; Enumeration District: 9; Page: 3; Line: 7; GSU roll: 464202………………….which has another son Charles King born about 1816 but I am not sure if he belongs to John King's first wife or Mary Sloper his second wife………….Mary Sloper is the sister of Anna that married Stephen Allen……………I would love to know who John Kings first wife was if you have anything on Charles born 1816 in Wilcot…………..Thank you very much again Heather and jrc11………….. ;D
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I forgot to mention that I had a look at the second witness to the marriage of Stephen Henry Allen to Emily and the witness would you believe is a Benjamin "Cheater"……….. :o The only trace after that is a conviction and sent to jail in Dorset and later another conviction where he was transported to New South Wales Australia in which he got life. After the first conviction he seems to have changed his name to Benjamin Chater………He served 10 years and was given a Pardon…..I am still looking at that.
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Please disregard part of the last entry by me. Benjamin Cheater died in the same area as his mother was living in Essex in 12 Dec 1859 in Waltham Abbey, Essex, England. While he did go to Dorset Jail on the 24 Jan 1833 it was just for 2 months and can be found in the 1841 Census there as Ben Cheater with an occupation of a Carpenter. So what I said about going as a convict to Australia is incorrect. I do believe when his step father (Stephen King) died in 1848 he went back to live with his mother and changed his surname to his mother's married surname William Sloper King in the 1851 Census as it has him as an occupation of Carpenter with the age and birth place matching him. I found that he was a witness also to his Step brother William King who married Claretta Drake in St Andrew Holborn in 1851 he witnessed together again with his Step sister Eliza Jane Sloper King….