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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: timeteam on Thursday 07 November 13 14:11 GMT (UK)
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This is the first time I have researched a friends family in Scotland so I may seem a bit incoherent sorry.
I have a death certificate for 1963 for Lena Roberts age 89. Her father was William Reid a marine stoker. Her mother was Johanna Reid previously m.s Moir. Can anyone tell me what the m.s means and where do I go to find more about William and Johanna please.
Any help would be appreciated
Regards
Ann
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Hi timeteam
welcome to Rootschat, :)
m.s means maiden surname,
are you familiar with Scotlands People website,?
it is the official site for all of Scotlands records, if Lena's parents were born and Married in Scotland their records should be on there.
Elaine
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Hello Elaine
Thank you for your help. I do not know this site but I am now going to look
Regards
Ann
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Ann :)
I have found the family on Ancestry 1891
Address 54 Ann Street Greenock
Lena is on there with the family but the fathers occupation is giving as Paper mill Labourer,
will post the other details for you, I am just looking to see if I find them on the others
Elaine
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If you live near the Mitchell Library they have a search room for Scotlands People £ 15.00 to search all day .Also lot's of other records poor relief etc worth a visit
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Note that it states in 1891 that Lina(Lena) was born in Germany and that her younger brother William was born in the USA.
William
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1891 details
William Reid------1843 Ireland-----paper mill worker,
Johanna---------1853 Germany (British Subject)
Lina-------------1874 Germany (British Subject)
William-----------1882 America
James-----------1886 Greenock
Johanna---------1890 Greenock.
the family are also on the 1901 census living at
22 Sugarhouse Lane Greenock
family as above without Lena,
and another son Francis born 1892 in Greenock
Williams occupation this time is given as sugarhouse labourer,
they also have some other people boarding with them.
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SP has a death for a Johanna Reid(other surname Moir) 1925 Greenock Renfrew , born c1855.
ev
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Think she may have married by 1901 as there is a Lena Roberts b 1874 in Germany living in Devonport, Devon. She is listed as sister in law. Her mother in law Maria Roberts is also in household. It looks as if there are 2 children Rosina 9 and Johanah 3 both born in Scotland. This would suggest that her marriage was in Scotland sometime after the 1891 census.
William
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Search on Scotlands People suggests she did not marry until 1897 in Greenock.
William
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Thank you all so much. I live in Suffolk and am a very senior citizen so unable to get around much. What you have given me is invaluable.
Regards
Ann
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Ann there is a death on the Inverclyde BMD site
it maybe for William the son of William and Johanna
Death
Record
REID William Drowned 1889 William James, son of William Reid, labourer, 14
Mill Street, drowned in Long Dam near Overton
Intimations – The Watt Library index of family history notices 62
Record
Type
Name Name 2 Category Year Entry
Paper Mill on 4th May 1889 age 17. (Greenock
Telegraph 6.5.1889)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0mj9/
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just realised it cant be same William :-[
oh well the link will let you go through the Reids that are on there.
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There are some family trees on this family on a/try which might help for general background, to use a guide to further searches, Ann.
William Reid b. 1845 in Ireland d. 26 Mar 1905 in Greenock (Suffocation from choking :-\). He is showing as having married twice. Firstly to an Ellen Allan in 1884 and then a Johanna Specht in 1885. Both marriages show in Greenock. I can see the 1885 to Johanna but have to use SPEC* so not sure how it has been indexed. Wonder also whether Johanna's surname was anglized in later years, if you have it now Ann as MOIR? Another possibility is that Johanna was also married previously.
Not sure given all these years, who was parent to which of the children. Maybe because both Johanna and Lena show as born in Germany, they both came over before mother Johanna married William Reid in 1885?
The surname MOYER is given for a first husband for Johanna (might fit, MOIR and MOYER...although a little confused as to who was who over the years over the years maybe).
William Reid's parents are given as a William and a Margaret Jane Neil Cochran.
Johanna as a John and Rosa Specht.
Something to work from. A lot of this can be confirmed with BMDs etc.
Monica :)
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Hello Monica
Well you have certainly given me a lot to work on and I am very grateful. The family thought there was a german connection and more than one marriage, but as with most families it was a lot of hearsay..I am supposed to be related to the Chipperfield circus family but cant find it. They also had the name Spest which fits in with what you have said. Thank you once again.
Regards
Ann
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Hi Ann
I haven't used it, but www.mundia.com/gb/ continues to be free to register on which is great. You should be able to access the family tree I have seen on a/try there (they are linked to a/try).
Search for parents William Reid and Johanna Specht (I am seeing it as the McCartney family tree). The tree owner seems to be connected to the son James b. 6 Apr 1886 in Greenock.
You and or your friend might want to contact the tree owner perhaps to find out more information?
Monica :)
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Going to give it a go tomorrow
Regards Ann
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Hi Ann,
My name is Rosina and I'm from Greenock, my great great great granny was Johanna Specht who married William Reid ......
She had Lena ( Rosina Magdaline) who was my great great granny. Married name Roberts) Father unknown
My Great granny was also Rosina Magdaline (married name Robertson)father unknown
my granny Rosena (married name McDonald)
My mum Rosena (married name McFadden)
and me Rosina McCann
Maybe we could help each other xx
Look forward to hearing from you.
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Hello Rosina,
I am doing this tree for a friend who is of the Roberts line. She is in touch with a relative called Adeline who I think has been in contact with your mum or you. I am stuck as everything is on Scotlands people site and I do not subscribe. It appears that the connection is through Rosina who married James Roberts. Their son Edward was her dad. I will try to work out her connection to you and let you know. I also got stuck on the german line. Let me know if there is anything specific you want but I really am stuck. I don't mid telling you the names I have
Regards Ann
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Hi Ann , yes I think I got the information from Adelene who I found through a Greenock site.
Thanks for all your help.
Get confused with the Lena name .
My great granny was Rosina Magdaline Specht but took the name Roberts when her mum married
On my G granny's death certificate it states mothers name as Rosina Magdaline Specht afterwards Roberts.
So was this Lena/Lina there is a ? that she may have used the name Moyer/muir instead of Specht due to being in Greenock during the war..
Edward Alexander Roberts was my grannys (Rosina) half brother ....... sure confuses me lo. x
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Hello Rosina,
All these Lenas and Rosinas do get very confusing. I wonder if Johanna was married 2 or 3 times as I have 3 surnames for her. If you do find any more about her I would be very interested to hear
Regards Ann
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HI Ann, same here Specht, Reid and ? Moyer/moury/muir....... x
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Johanna is my ancestor I know that Ms normally means maiden surname but that is not the case here johannas father was German as was her mother his name was john specht and her mother was Rosa she married William moir who was also German and had Lina in Germany she then moved to America and her and William moir( sometimes spelt Moyers) and had a son William I am still trying to find out what happened to her first husband but she ended up coming to greenock where she married William Reid who was Irish and had more children Johanna is my great great gran
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Thank you very much for this information about Johanna. I have had trouble with this part of the family as I cannot access German records. Anything else you can find out would be very much appreciated
Regards
Ann
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i will keep you up to date with anything i find out my nieces boyfriends father is german and im going to pass on what i know t him in the hope of finding out more . what is your connection to the family? and can you send me any info you have so that we can compare ? adelene is my full cousin her mum and mine are sisters and edward roberts was their dad ,
thanks janice
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Hello Janice
I am not a relation but I love doing family trees for friends. This is for my friend Wendy Green nee Roberts and she knows Adeline, through Edward Roberts
Regards Ann
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yes i think wendy is one of my mums step sisters :)
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I think you are right..........
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This is my great gran on my maternal side William Reid was her step dad her mum and dad were German Moir or Moyer was her father's name her mothers maiden name was speck or specht, janice.wright@live.co.uk
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I am supposed to be related to the Chipperfield circus family but cant find it.
Hello, My mother and her brothers ran Chipperfields Circus. Did you ever find a link to us? Can I help at all? ;-)