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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: wrjones on Thursday 07 November 13 00:30 GMT (UK)
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Someone has this evening been in contact with me on Genes Re-united apparently enquiring on behalf of a friend who claims to be the daughter of one of my relatives,who was given up for official adoption.
Now I had no knowledge myself of any such child born to my relative to give the contact.All I could do is tell the contact of my own experience trying to trace such a child for someone else.Of course whilst I contacted the local Registry Office I was only able to ask general questions about the procedure in such cases.
The Registry Office informed me that in such cases of official adoption the details on the original birth certificate are altered,whilst they still retain the original record.
I also told the contact what I thought to be the case,that such a child now has the right to see their original birth details.
Is what I told her factually correct?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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wrj,
could u please put up for which country the soul was alleged to have been born... so you get correct answer.... as different countries not always follow the Westminster principles , and I would also consult St Barnardos regarding the time period as the laws did change slightly once the equality and human rights laws started to alter family law court matters....
a verbal with St B will give you a thorough indicator, and sometimes it is even worthy to pay the nominal sum to have them send any data file they may be able to find on the soul in question.
on one hand it is a good thing that someone wants to establish contact if they are distant kin but I do put caution to the wind on these sorts of events confronting genealogists that have a lot of material using electronic means
there is a moderate article on this link > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption
for those generally interested in this topic and I would say that if one googles adoption + country name + legal, there are sites that do come up
(i would also like to make comment here , that I have done numerous adoption genealogy files and some are easy to spot from 1837 to 1910 through our usual research methods , but thereafter are almost impossible to find unless you have government information)
but its all good hopefully
:)
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For the UK see http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/adoption.htm
England https://www.gov.uk/adoption-records
Scotland http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/regscot/adoption.html
Northern Ireland http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/gro
Stan
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wrj,
could u please put up for which country the soul was alleged to have been born... so you get correct answer.... as different countries not always follow the Westminster principles , and I would also consult St Barnardos regarding the time period as the laws did change slightly once the equality and human rights laws started to alter family law court matters....
Just a quick note - Thomas Barnardo, the founder of Barnardo's Homes has not yet been made a saint! ;D
The organisation is just called Barnardos, and their website is http://www.barnardos.org.uk
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Thanks,the adoption laws quoted by Stan for England Wales are applicable in this case.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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The Registry Office informed me that in such cases of official adoption the details on the original birth certificate are altered,whilst they still retain the original record.
On completion of the adoption process, the Registrar General's office inform the Superintendent Registrar of the district where the original birth was registered to annotate the birth entry with the word 'Adopted' which will appear on the right hand side of a pre-1983 birth cert or at the bottom of later certificates.
The GRO compiles the Adopted Childrens Index which is available to view at the 7 registries who host the full sets of GRO data.
There is no way of linking an entry in the birth index with an entry in the Adopted Childrens Index unless you know the name at birth and the name after adoption.
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Many thanks dawnsh for your reply.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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You could try asking the adoption section of social services, if you know the area the adoption took place. They will not give you the details but they might say whether or not it occurred. sue
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Many thanks sue for your reply.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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I was adopted but my name wasn't changed . So my birth and adoption certificates are the same but different parents on the adoption one. sue
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Thanks once again sue,its a useful insight.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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You're very welcome if I can be of any help then feel free to pm me. sue
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Another point , the adopted person would need their adoption papers for evidence. If your relative was the father and parents were not married , his name would not be on the birth certificate.
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I was adopted so have no idea where I hailed from originally, I always said as long as my adoptive parents were still alive I would never go searching, I still have my mum. Recently though I have found myself wondering exactly where I was born and was going to contact the General Register Office but I understand I have to meet with a councillor beforehand. Im not interested in finding my birth parents, more just where my roots are but am struggling to take that first step.