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Hi, I am new to this site and was wondering if anybody could help me in finding Richard Dykes father.
I have come to a stumbling block and don't know what to do next.
Richard Dykes is my 3rd great grandfather, he was born in Bassingham, Lincolnshire about 1828. The first time he appears in any documents is the 1841 census when at the age of 12 it shows him living on his own. But on closer inspection I presume he is living with the family immediately above in the census - The Tindalls.
I am presuming (again) that Charlotte Elizabeth Tindall (nee Peacock) is his mother and had him illegitimately before marrying James Tindall. (It is interesting to note that Richard Dykes had a daughter named Charlotte also). Charlotte came from Rolleston in Nottinghamshire born abt 1805, but I cannot find any birth records for her. I found a birth for a Richard Peacock in Bassingham on 31 August 1828, but the father is named as William Peacock.
All seems pretty straight forward but on ordering Richard's marriage certificate (to Elizabeth Dansby on 19 Mar 1850 in Nocton, Lincolnshire) his father is named as William Dykes, Labourer....this is my stumbling block, I have no further information on William Dykes and would love to go further back on the Dyke's family tree. I remember my mum telling me that the name Dykes came from Holland, when the labourer's called "Dykers" came from Holland to dig the canals etc. And I do know that my Grandad Dykes went to Holland shortly before he died.
So, is William Dykes a "Dyker" or a Van Dyke or Dike or is he a Dykes from Scotland?
I am well and truly stuck and do not know which way to go now.
Any information would be much appreciated.
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
It was very common for illegitimate children to invent a father when they married so as to appear "respectable" but that may not necessarily be the case here
IF - Richard was the illegitimate son of Charlotte - then his surname would more likely have been Peacock
When did Charlotte marry Tindall? Did she marry him as Dykes or Peacock? Is she shown as a widow or a spinster
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Hi
FS has this marriage, maybe relevant
Richard Dykes mar. Elizabeth Dansby 1850 in Nocton, he was 20, his father: William Dykes
Brides father: Jacob Dansby
claire
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Hi
There is a William Dykes and a Martha christening children in Waddington which is about 7 miles from
Bassingham.
claire
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
It was very common for illegitimate children to invent a father when they married so as to appear "respectable" but that may not necessarily be the case here
IF - Richard was the illegitimate son of Charlotte - then his surname would more likely have been Peacock
When did Charlotte marry Tindall? Did she marry him as Dykes or Peacock? Is she shown as a widow or a spinster
Hi,
She married James Tindall on 31 Dec 1831 in Bassingham, Lincolnshire, surname Peacock but doesn't say whether spinster or widow.
Sorry, not much help but I cannot find the record in BMD only on a couple of other
online sites.
Tracey.
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Hi
FS has this marriage, maybe relevant
Richard Dykes mar. Elizabeth Dansby 1850 in Nocton, he was 20, his father: William Dykes
Brides father: Jacob Dansby
claire
Hi Claire,
Yes, thank you, I have a copy of the marriage certificate.
Thanks for your help.
Tracey.
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Hi
Were either of the witnesses to his 1850 marriage surname Dykes
The Tindall/Peacock marriage is before Civil Registration so you would have to lookup the entry in the parish record to see her marital status.
My personal opinion is that Richard was just lodging with them and is not Charlotte's son.
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Hi
There is this christening record for a Richard Peacock
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=6042035
Margp
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Hi,
What about the Richard Peacock birth in Bassingham in 1828 ? The father is named as William Peacock, do you not think that the William was the father's name and used her own surname. My grandfather was illegitimate and on his marriage certificate the first name of his father was the birth father and the surname was his mother's marriage name.
One witness was from his wife's side of the family and the other witness must have been a friend, as at this moment in time I do not recognise the name.
Tracey
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Hi
There is this christening record for a Richard Peacock
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=6042035
Margp
Hi,
Thank you, this is the birth record I have found too, though I cannot find one in BMD Index.
Thank you for your help.
Tracey.
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Hi
There is a William Dykes and a Martha christening children in Waddington which is about 7 miles from
Bassingham.
claire
Thanks Claire,
I will look at this tomorrow, bit late now for such work !!! Got to have a clear mind when sorting through all the records, lol.
Thanks again for your help.
Tracey.
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Hi
Well done MargP for finding that baptismal entry under Peacock
Thank you, this is the birth record I have found too, though I cannot find one in BMD Index.
Civil Registration was only introduced on 1.7.1837 so there was no BMD index prior to that date.
Any entries for births/baptisms are found in parish registers only
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Hi
There is this christening record for a Richard Peacock
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=6042035
Margp
Hi,
Thank you, this is the birth record I have found too, though I cannot find one in BMD Index.
Thank you for your help.
Tracey.
The BMD Index did not start until 1837 so will not be there
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James Tindall married Charlotte Peacock 31 Dec 1831 St Michael Bassingham
Witnesses: Matthew Rogers and Harriett Rogers
claire
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Thank you Claire,
Have got this marriage, but didn't have the witnesses, more info I can now add to the tree.
Tracey
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Bit confused - Have you got 2 Rootschat ID's as this post was started by Tracy06 who now appears to have become Alantra
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You're confused ???
Tracey6 is online Alantra isn't !!!
claire
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Yes, sorry...when I registered I logged in with facebook but my son was logged in, hence his picture. So I re-registered in my name, I am flicking between the 2 as I am helping another lady with her ancestors so cannot change that until I have sent her more information. I will try to be more careful in future until I am just using the one.
Tracey
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Hi
There is this burial record
William Peacock
25 Jan 1828 aged 19
St Michael Bassingham
Margp
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Thanks MargP,
Haven't seen this one before, this could change things a bit ! Going to have to have a closer look at all the information I have.
Thank you
Tracey
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You're confused ??? Tracey6 is online Alantra isn't !!!
Yes I am confused - Alantra signs herself Tracey and in her last reply to you says
Have got this marriage, but didn't have the witnesses, more info I can now add to the tree.
Which gives the impression this is her own post ???
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Hi
This looks like another child for William and Charlotte Peacock I wonder if he changed his name to Dyke too
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=6042001
Margp
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Two burials
William Peacock infant buried 30 Apr 1827 Bassingham, St Michael or this one
William Peacock aged 3 buried 25 Oct 1830 Bassingham, St Michael.
claire
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Thanks MargP and Claire.t,
Totally confused now ;) Not sure now who my richard is !!
Was he a Dykes or a Peacock ??
I think I might start again and check if I have got the correct Richard, I am new to this genealogy and am wondering now if I have the wrong person.
I really need to know who Richard Dyke's father was but apart from the 1841 Census (when he was living with the Tindalls) Richard Dykes first appears and then his marriage certificate who says his father is William Dykes I have nothing else to go on.
Any ideas anyone ??
Thanks for your help,
Tracey
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Hi Tracey
I think it would be best if you gives us the information, on how your are descended from Richard Dyke, start with the proven information that you have, which you know is correct
Margp
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No-one seemes to have remarked on the fact that Charlotte was from Nottinghamshire (1851 census), perhaps she married there. Bassingham is only 4 miles from Notts. :)
Map http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=490760&Y=360170&A=Y&Z=126
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Thanks MargP,
Will do that now, might take me a while, but I want to make sure all is correct.
Thanks,
Tracey
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Hi MargP,
Here goes.....I will start with my mother Maureen Parkinson (Nee Dykes) - (12 Apr 1938 to 28-01-2005) Born in Blackpool, Lancashire.
Her father was James Dykes, Born Dinnington, Yorkshire (02 Aug 1908 - 22 May 1978) Died in Blackpool. Lancashire. Married to Eileen Sutcliffe who was born in Stockport, Cheshire. (03 Dec 1913 to 18 Jun 1972). They married in Blackpool on 12 Nov 1935.
James Dykes was the son of James Alfred Dykes born in Nocton, Lincolnshire. (30 Apr 1877 to 23 Mar 1959). He died in Blackpool, Lancashire. He was married to Juliana Alton born in Ripley, Derbyshire. (26 Jun 1885 to 1954). They married in Belper, Derbyshire, Qtr Jul/Aug/Sep 1905.
All this I know to be correct as this is all recorded in the Alton family Bible which I have.
From now on this is my research....so I am hoping it is correct ???
James Alfred Dykes was the son of George Dykes born in Nocton, Lincolnshire abt Sep 1856 and I think he died in North Kesteven, Lincolnshire in 1939. George married twice and it was his first wife that he had George with. This was Jane Eliza Allen Vines who was born in Metheringham, Lincolnshire. (1858 to 1880). They married in Jan/Feb/Mar 1877 and had two children before she died, George and Emma, who was born abt 1879 in Nocton, Lincolnshire.
His second wife was Emma Coulson whom he married in Oct/Nov/Dec 1881.
In the 1881 Census George is living with his two children and sister Mary in Nocton, Lincolnshire. (Emma is down as Emily in the 1881 Census).
In the 1861 Census George is living with his mother, father and siblings and maternal grandfather (Jacob Dansby). Note:- In the 1861 Census it records Jacob Dansby age as 36, but when you actually look at the record you can see it is incorrect.
George Dykes was the son of Richard Dykes born in Bassingham, Lincolnshire abt 1828/29.
According to the 1841 Census - Richard at this time was living with The Tindalls - I think - when the 1841 Census first comes up on Ancestry it shows Richard at the age of 12 living on his own, but when you look at the original record I think it shows him living with the Tindalls.
This is why I presume Charlotte is his mother and he was illegitimate.
Richard Dykes born Bassingham, Lincolnshire abt 1828/29 and died in Nocton, Lincolnshire in 1899. Apparently, according to another persons family tree, an inquest was held into Richard's death as he fell from a haycart and died. This inquest report is available on request I believe, but not sure where from. Richard married Elizabeth Dansby born in Nocton, Lincolnshire and died in Nocton, Lincolnshire. (1828-1896). They married on 19 Mar 1850 in Nocton, Lincolnshire. I have a copy of this marriage and it states Richard Dykes, Age 20, Bachelor, Labourer, Nocton. Father William Dykes, Labourer. Elizabeth Dansby of full age, Spinster, Nocton. Father Jacob Dansby, Labourer. The witnesses were William Lunn ? and Sarah South (Elizabeth's mother's maiden name was South).
Charlotte Elizabeth Tindall (Nee Peacock) - I cannot find any birth records for Charlotte in Rolleston, Nottinghamshire, where according to the 1851 Census she was born in abt 1805.
Please note in the 1851 Census the Tindall's name is incorrectly spelt, it is down as Lindall and they were living in Nocton, Lincolnshire.
Charlotte married James Tindall on 31 Dec 1831 in Bassingham, Lincolnshire. This information I got from FS, but it could be the wrong information as this is now guesswork.
It is interesting to note that James Tindall was also illegitimate. He was born 17 Dec 1809. Mother named as Sarah Tindale and father as James Thorpe, again from FS and if my guesswork is correct.
That is all I know and surmise, I may have gone wrong somewhere along the way after James Alfred Dykes. It is also interesting to note that Richard Dykes had children with the same names as Charlotte and James' children and James' mother, coincidence, I don't know.
Any help would be much appreciated and I hope this is clear enough for you, it can get quite confusing.
Many thanks,
Tracey.
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Thank you Geoff-E,
I will look into that. :)
Tracey
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Charlotte married James Tindall on 31 Dec 1831 in Bassingham, Lincolnshire. This information I got from FS, but it could be the wrong information as this is now guesswork.
The marriage register for Basingham is here (2nd on left) http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=532964&iid=43704
:)
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Hi Geoffe
Could you do a search on the link you have just posted, to see if there is one for a William Peacock, I think that Charlotte may have been married before, and Peacock may not be here maiden name
Margp
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Hi Marg and Geoffe,
I was just wondering if perhaps Charlotte's maiden name was Dykes ?? Then married a Peacock before she married James Tindall. Also I have just found another two spelling variants of Dykes...Dyche of which there are a few registered in Nottinghamshire and Dyckes....I have found a couple in Nottinghamshire - William and Ann Dyche, having children in the 1820's.
Tracey
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Hi Tracey
That's my thoughts as well, but can't find Dykes/Peacock/s marriage
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Hi Marg,
There could also be the scenario that Richard Dykes was just stopping at a friend's house at the time of the 1841 Census....he may not be illegitimate at all and his father could be William Dykes and happily married to his mother :)
Tracey.
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Yes he could have been a nephew/brother/cousin or even related to the Tindall's
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Could you do a search on the link you have just posted, to see if there is one for a William Peacock, I think that Charlotte may have been married before, and Peacock may not be here maiden name
Believe me, it was the obvious thing to look for and, if I'd found one, I'd have let you know. :)
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Hi MargP,
I found this birth in Nottingham on FS
father: Richard Portor
mother: Elizabeth
Name: Charlotte Elizabeth Portor
Gender Female
Christening Date 16 Sep 1805
Christening Place SAINT MARY,NOTTINGHAM,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name Richard Portor
Mother's Name Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C04487-2
System Origin England-ODM
GS Film number 503800, 503801
It is the only Charlotte Elizabeth I can find at the moment in Notts.
Date fits and also Father's name is Richard !
Tracey.
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Hi MargP,
I found this birth in Nottingham on FS
father: Richard Portor
mother: Elizabeth
Name: Charlotte Elizabeth Portor
Gender Female
Christening Date 16 Sep 1805
Christening Place SAINT MARY,NOTTINGHAM,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name Richard Portor
Mother's Name Elizabeth
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C04487-2
System Origin England-ODM
GS Film number 503800, 503801
It is the only Charlotte Elizabeth I can find at the moment in Notts.
Date fits and also Father's name is Richard !
Tracey.
Hi Tracey that one stood out for me too, but I could not find a marriage to Dykes
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Hi
It think that Charlotte E can be ruled out
Charlotte Elizabeth Porter mar. Thomas Screeten 3 October 1824 Saint Mary,Nottingham.
claire
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Hi Claire.t,
Yes I was wondering if Thos Screaton was perhaps her 1st husband but after searching Ancestry I found that this Charlotte actually died in 1842, clutching at straws here :)
I don't think I am going to get to the bottom of this one.
I think Richard was illegitimate and the name Dykes could have come from anywhere !!
Tracey
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Hey sorry to jump into this post but I noticed a William Lunn in the post as a witness at a wedding. I have been researching my family history (Gadsby) in Lincolnshire and have drawn a blank at Wm. Lunn (born 1827) - which makes him a similar age as Richard Dykes, so I presume there is a connection here.
I'm new to this so could do with any help!
Thanks
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Hi, I will have a look and see if I can find any further information for you...haven't been doing my family tree for a while so need to refresh the information in my head because it get's very confusing, :-\ Will hopefully be in touch shortly but I am new to all this so please bear with me.
Tracey.