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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: McMahonCore on Tuesday 22 October 13 21:42 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
Interesting one here. I am trying to find a connection between my own family line and an exact DNA match currently living in Australia. Given the exact match there is a high probability we have a common ancestor in the last 200 years. This is the information I have gathered on both sides in an attempt to make the connection. After much thought I believe the 2 James McMahon's below may be the same person.
My Family Line:
James McMahon: B. Ireland 1841, D. Ireland 1923. Travelled to Australia (possibly Orange NSW) in the 1860's as a gold prospector. Ended up in Sydney around 1890. Invested all his earnings in he National Bank of Commerce in Sydney but lost the lot in the bank collapse of 1893. He had returned home to Ireland by 1901. I have no record of him having children.
Australian Family Line:
James McMahon B. ~1833???. Son David McMahon B. 1867 Port Adelaide SA. David married Emma Lilian Daniel (B. 1877 D. 1940) on 12 December 1899 in Adelaide. Their sons Marshall B. 1900 and Maurice B. 1902 were born in Exeter, Port Adelaide.
I suppose my question would be, is there any information out there on the James McMahon on the Australian side that might help me. I'm sorry that I am short on information but any suggestions would would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Noel McMahon.
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I am a little confused as to why you would think a James McMahon in Adelaide South Australia could be the same person as a James McMahon near Sydney NSW.
Long, long way apart ???
I cannot see a birth for a David McMahon in 1867 in SA either ???
Neil
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Thanks Neil. Sorry, should have mentioned that James McMahon in the Australian line originally came from around the Sydney area. Without info on David's birth I can't see us finding anything new.
In reality it's not the best idea to be trying to get people to fit DNA results. Should be the other way around. I don't have a lot of information from the Ausrtalin contact so it's a difficult one.
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Hi there
McMAHON is quite a popular surname in NSW and of course James is among the most popular of male first names ......
As you have details about a South Australian family have you contacted the person who provided that DNA and that info ? I am presuming they provided it to the DNA clinic .... I am presuming they provided both the sample and info in order to get direct contact with others and that the clinic would notify them of your matching profile.
There may be many Different James McMahon chaps in NSW and in Sth Australia in the late 1800s and most descendants of those different families are yet to even consider any family history much less DNA as a source for fh buffs
Have you validated your own James details for his time in NSW or are you looking for help with him?
Cheers JM
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NSW BDM seems to offline at the moment so cannot do any checking there for any possible connection ???
Neil ;)
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Very long shot ;D
But it gives a Sydney-Adelaide-Ireland connection :)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article91570545 1891
MacMAHON.— At 100, Darlinghurst-road, Sydney, Mrs. MacMahon, relict ol the late James McMahon,
of Dundrum, County Dublin, Ireland, and motherof the Rev. J. B. MacMahon, of Adelaide. Home
papers please copy-. R.I.P.
cheers,
Ros
NSW BDM is working for me Neil but there are 8 pages of James McMahon's :(
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I cannot see a birth for a David McMahon in 1867 in SA either ???
I rarely place much reliance on submitted trees, but may I note that there is a submitted tree which has David as born in IRELAND.
The tree also has uploaded the 1899 marriage cert for David McMAHON.
12 December 1899 married in the District of Adelaide.
David McMAHON 32, Bachelor, (Trade or Calling) Engineer, (Residence at time of Marriage) Adelaide, (Name and Surname of Father) James McMahon,
(Place in which celebrated) : Rev J Thome's House, Franklin St, Adelaide
Emma Lilian DANIEL 22, Spinster, Adelaide, (Father:) James Daniel.
Witnesses John (cannot clearly decipher surname, could be Minapav) Bootmaker, Franklin St, Adelaide and Elizabeth Jane LAYTON, Charwoman of O'Halloran St, Adelaide.
Bride, Groom and Witnesses all signed. So too John Thome, Officiating Minister.
Cheers, JM
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Re that submitted tree
The following seems to rule out the Irish death that the OP mentions about his own James McMahon.
The submitted tree has their James as
1833 (abt) Born Ireland
1855 Arrive Australia 10 May (NO ship, NO port ??? )
1863 Marriage in Adelaide, to unknown
1895 death Southwark South Australia
two offspring (eldest as John McMahon, no further details, and then David as per my earlier post)
PS, the submitted tree has the Rev on that 1899 marriage as Rev Thorpe. I have double checked, cannot see the letter "p" but it may read Thorne rather than Thome. Recorded twice on the mc. Neither could be read as Thorpe.
Cheers, JM
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South Australian papers ;D
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/48254928 South Australian Register 10 Nov 1891
NSW papers also had earlier notices ;D (I searched using street address from Ros' great find)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13871845 SMH 4 Nov 1891. Mentions the Rev John McMahon connection, in one of the several announcements. Another announcement on that page gives a daughter as Miss Bride McMahon.
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I have just tried NSW BDM online index. There's over 50 lasses with given name of "Bride" marrying between 1891 and current closing date of the online listings. ::) and none with McMahon or variations....
Cheers, JM
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The tree also has uploaded the 1899 marriage cert for David McMAHON.
12 December 1899 married in the District of Adelaide.
David McMAHON 32, Bachelor, (Trade or Calling) Engineer, (Residence at time of Marriage) Adelaide, (Name and Surname of Father) James McMahon,
(Place in which celebrated) : Rev J Thome's House, Franklin St, Adelaide
From the submitted tree they have uploaded a TROVE newspaper cutting.
Here's the link re the death of Emma Lillian McMahon in 1940 in South Australia
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/35663500 30 Jan 1940 The Advertiser.
Cheers, JM
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Thanks JM for this information. As regards the DNA testing we were matched after I took a test with a company in the US earlier this year. I have been in contact with my match in Australia but it is proving difficult to get any information from him other than what I have posted. I realise that I may have to look elsewhere my family tree for the connection but at the moment this James McMahon connection is the strongest candidate. At the very least I would like to be able to rule him out altogether and start again.
The family tree information posted by you is new to me so I might try and follow up on that.
Thanks again for the extra information. If I find a solution to this puzzle I'll be sure to post it.
Regards,
Noel.
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Which part of Ireland did he come from? I think a search of trove with McMahon and the town/county of Ireland could be fruitful - well you never know.
cheers,
Ros
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I'll give it a go. He came from Feakle, Co. Clare. Going by the submitted family tree above it looks as if Davids father died in Adelaide 1895. This would definately rule out the connection as my James McMahon returned home and died in 1923. Also the date birth in ~1833 and date of coming to Australia in 1955 dosent fit with my time line.
Ill go back to the drawing board today and see what other options I can come up with.
Cheers,
Noel.
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Assuming the submitted trees are correct we have the following:
- James McMahon married 1963 Adelaide. (No record)
- Oldest son John McMahon
- Son David McMahon born 1867. (Cannot find a birth record for him.) Married in Adelaide 1899.
I have found a birth of a John McMahon in St Paul, Coburg, Victoria, Australia. 01 Feb 1864.
Father: James McMahon, Mother: Joanna Herlikey.
Its the best I can come up with so far and I realise that geographically it might not make sense. Cant find a marriage record for James McMahon/Joanna Herlikey which might help me further.
Regards,
Noel.
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I have found a birth of a John McMahon in St Paul, Coburg, Victoria, Australia. 01 Feb 1864.
Father: James McMahon, Mother: Joanna Herlikey.
Vic BDM records are very detailed. And you can download immediately via your plastic card.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html (What to expect on Vic BDM)
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage (plastic card spending spot, using the ref no. below)
BUT I notice there are other births for the name of John McMAHON and Johanna HERLIHY May I suggest if you are going to use that plastic card, you try for Michael McMAHON, son of James McMahon and Johanna Herlihy ? I would expect that birth cert to include names of older siblings, as well as the details of the marriage, birth places etc of Michael's parents ;D
The ref no. is 20402
May I gently remind you that McMahon was and still is a popular surname in each of the states of Australia.
Cheers, JM
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Thanks JM,
I followed up on that birth record:
There were 8 children listed:
John b.1864, Michael b. 1866, James b. 1867, William Hugh b. 1869, Thomas Christopher b. 1872, Peter b. 1874, Mary Margaret Ang b. 1875 & Arthur Bernard b. 1879.
Father: James McMahon born Co. Cavan Ireland. (Long way from Co. Clare)
Mother: Johanna Herlihy born Co. Cork Ireland.
No David unfortunately. Checked James (b.1867) birth cert for a second name but none there.
Back to the drawing board so.
Thanks again for all the help.
Noel.
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Hi there,
In case at sometime in the future, someone who is related to your chap, stumbles across this thread (Google search etc), would you mind posting the details from the VIC birth cert re the marriage of that James McMAHON and Johanna HERLIHY please.
Also, may I suggest that you consider sharing the BDM as there are likely other registrations on that image. Here is one of a number of links that are interested in helping with certs and contact details.
http://ausbdm.ucoz.org/
Cheers, JM
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Apologies for not following up on this, I haven't been on for a while.
Father: James McMahon born 1840 Lavey, Co. Cavan Ireland.
Mother: Johanna Herlihy born 1839 Banteer, Co. Cork Ireland.
Married: February 1863, Adelaide, SA.
Children: All possibly born, Bourke County, Victoria.
John b.1864, Michael b. 1866, James b. 1867, William Hugh b. 1869, Thomas Christopher b. 1872, Peter b. 1874, Mary Margaret Ang b. 1875 & Arthur Bernard b. 1879.
I also e-mailed the certs to contact at the link above.
Thanks again for all the help.
Noel.