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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: RCB on Tuesday 22 October 13 12:41 BST (UK)
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Following an earlier post I'm just wondering if anyone can come up with marriage details for these marriages -
Edward H Werder to Alice ****? who was born 1908, New York
son born 1934 so the marriage will be 1933-34?
William C Werder to Christina A *****? who was born 1889 in Germany
son born 1906 so the marriage will be 1904-05?
There may not be a marriage for the next because the groom was seperated but not divorced
William C Werder to Genevie who was also born Germany 1889
daughter born 1930 so there may be a marriage 1928-29?
If the above couple were living together in 1930 they seem to avoid the census, possibly for obvious reasons, but they appear together in the 1940 census.
Their daughter has the unusual name of (*) born 1930
Can anyone find out anything about (*), she is a complete unknown.
Thanks again for any help. I think this may be a case of having somebody on the ground to the records office and search.
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Just to clarify so people don't have to search -
Edward Werder & Alice were together in Jersey City, NJ in the 1940 census.
William Werder & Christina are on the 1910 census in Jersey City, which states that they had been married for 4 years.
William Werder & Genieve are on the 1940 census in Jersey City, which says they were living in the same place in 1935.
Is there anything that makes you think they married in New York rather than New Jersey?
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Shelley I was going to just ask for New Jersey marriages but overall with this family, apart from those born outside the US, births seem to be New york if not New Jersey, Jersey City more often than not.
It's a pity there isn't a US equvalent to the UK's FreeBMD and National Records Office, a big undertaking should anyone try to set something like it up in the US. You'll know far better than me, but it seems each State had it's own system and priorities. Census and Military details provide good research, but with millions of people flooding into the country and the vast area these people could melt away into, it was going to be difficult to keep records of everything and everyone. And the language barrier for so many, plus the name changes to make foriegn names sound more american.
This board has been extremely helpful to me in recent years. By the way I've searched using Ancestry and come up with nothing for the marriages so asking here is a last try. cheers Fred
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There is a newspaper article for the marriage of William C Werder & Christiana which can be found on genealogy bank, however I do not have a subscription.
Date:Saturday, December 9, 1905
Location:Jersey City, New Jersey
Paper:Jersey Journal
Article type:Newspaper Article
From the preview I can see, it says
......??? Avenue, Hudson City, was united in marriage to Mr. William C Werder of 354 Hoboken Avenue on Wednesday evening November twenty-second at the parsonage of the.......
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"It's a pity there isn't a US equvalent to the UK's FreeBMD and National Records Office, a big undertaking should anyone try to set something like it up in the US."
Not going to happen - vital records are kept by the individual states. The country is a federation of semi-independent states, many of which are much larger than Great Britain.
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this may be Edward and Alice's son:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=werder&GSfn=edward&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=44116662&df=all&
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The 1905 marriage was to Miss Christina Rackerman of Pavonia Avenue, Hudson City. At the parsonage of the Simpson M E Church.
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More info ;D I thought this posy had run out of steam. thanks again Fred
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Hi RCB,
I may have information on
(*)... I believe if we are talking about the right person, she is my Grandmother.
Here is some information I've been told by family members:
My great-grandmother, Genevieve, married her first husband Stephen Zahray sometime between 1915-1920 and lived in Jersey City. They had
(*) on June 6, 1930... unfortunately, Stephen Zahray, died just 6 months after
(*) was born.
The only information I could find on Genevieve &
(*) after the 1930's was that they were living with William C Werder in the 1940 census. Not sure if they eventually married or not, but they were listed as Genevieve &
(*) Werder.
Now this is where I'm a little lost. I cannot find any birth records on
(*) with the last name Zahray or Werder... and now that you mention Hansen, I'm wondering where you found this last name. Perhaps there are simply 2
(*)that we are searching for, but it seems unlikely given the unusual first name. :) Can you please share how you came across the
(*) Hansen?
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Date: Thursday, October 23, 1919 Paper: Jersey Journal (Jersey City, NJ) Page: 6
Stephen Zahray, a blind pianist, was arrested, for perjury on a New York warrant. He had applied for a marriage license last july. He stated he was single when he was married.
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Stephen's WWI draft registration card from June 1917 lists him as married - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZJK-F86
Stephen Zahray is listed on the New York City grooms' index here - http://italiangen.org/records-search/grooms.php The brides' name is Agnes E. OGorman.
The 1920 census seems to list Stephen as married, but no wife of his is listed in the household. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M4RB-YVL
Considering their age at first marriage as listed on the 1930 census, Genevieve and Stephen Zahray married about 5 years earlier.
1925 Jersey City directory
Zahray, Genevieve, clerk, 17 Oakland av.
Zahray, Stephen J., insurance agent, 17 Oakland av.
(also listed at the same address were Rudolf & Cornelia Zahray)
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Yes in the 1940 census Genieve and (*) are said to be Werder born New York, a married couple for the census, but William didn't divorce his first wife Christina until 1950. The Hansen family name is via William Werder's sons marriage, not sure why I refer to (*) 1930 as Hansen? I'll check that out, probably me confusing families ::). I did look for any (*) born New York 1930?
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There is a family tree that I found that lists Genevieve as Genevieve Volzenlugel, born 27 Apr. 1890 in New York to John J. Volzenlugel & Mary Pichette, and died 11 Feb. 1966 in Jersey City, New Jersey.
It lists her husbands as (1) James Gurney Andrews, married 7 Apr. 1911 at Our Lady of Grace Rectory, Hoboken, NJ, (2) Stephen Zahray, and (3) Christopher Ignatius Maher, married 27 Sep. 1950 at Sacred Heart RC Church in Jersey City, NJ. There is a picture of a gravestone for her & Christopher.
No mention of William Werder on the tree.
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You beat me to it Shelley :D I just added the Steven John Zahray and up came three family trees, one has no name where (*) would be just private so still living? It also lists Steven but no marriage date. I can add a name for Genevieve now, often spelt Genieve in census. I'm pretty certain it's correct. Of course the Zahray family are not directly linked to the tree I was researching as daughter was Steven's child, but it all adds to the story. And as she married later it would seem her time with William was something that suited them both at the time, but I wonder how long they were together either side of the 1940 census. Merry Christmas fred
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Hi All!
I actually spoke with my Grandmother today (she is alive and well!) and I asked her about all of the findings from this website. She initially was not forthcoming with this information... I guess it get's confusing after so many years. But here is what I gathered from her so far:
Genevieve (great-grandmother) - born 1889 as Genevieve Volzer (or Volzunlugal but I need to confirm this...).
Genevieve's first marriage was to a man named James Andrews. In the 1920 census, they appear to be living with Genevieve's parents John & Mary Volzer.
Then she married Stephen Zahray around 1925 and had my grandmother in 1930. Stephen died in 1930.
I don't think Genevieve and William ever married... but my grandmother always considered him to be her father. She did not find out about Stephen Zahray being her father until she was 16 when she needed her birth certificate for work.
I'm not sure how long the relationship lasted with William, but Genevieve later married Christopher Maher around 1950.
Feel free to msg me if you need any other information. :) Happy Holidays to all!