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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: fortiter on Tuesday 22 October 13 01:40 BST (UK)
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Looking for descendants of John Allen, sometime of Saint Iago de la Vega, Jamaica who recorded the "Fortiter" crest in 1779. Also his grandson Henry Howard Allen of Inchmartine who recorded the crest again in 1878.
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The crest is presumably the one shown in your avatar which unfortunately not clear enough for the bord to be identified. You are presumably talking about a crest rather than a shield or a full coat of arms. However in that case what precisely do you mean by recorded. Did the record include a blazon? In which case it would be extremely useful if you could reproduce the blazon particularly if there are any differences betweeen the two "recordings"
David
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Looks like a falcon.
Skoosh
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Hi All
If you enter Port Allen Perth and Kinross into google maps the inchmartine Perth and Kinross
You will find they are only about 6 miles apart Perhaps the archives at the A K Bell library may have some info.
http://www.pkc.gov.uk/archives
Yours Aye
BruceL
Added: Memorial for John Allen esquire of Inchmartin, concerning a transaction entered into by Sir Stuart Threipland, whereby Sir Stuart Threipland agreed to sell certain parts of his estate of Kinnaird to John Allen for “an adequate sum of money”,
The above taken from a page of A K Bell archives.
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Thanks, David.
My family holds items featuring the crest. All the information I have about the crest has come from the office of the Court of the Lord Lyon, and the terms "crest" and "recorded" are theirs. There was no mention in their correspondence to me of a blazon.
I appreciate your time and effort in responding,
Jonathan
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It is a pity that the court in confirming the crest did not provide you with details of the coat of arms of which the crest would have formed part. This further detail could have helped with understanding the family relationships. Did they actually identify the bird involved?
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Folks, you can look up the old arms in the Lyon register online on Scotlands People. I think it's free.
Skoosh.
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Hi Folks
There are wills on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for this family this is one
ALLEN JOHN JAMES 12/11/1853 ESQ., OF ERROL, CAPTAIN IN ROYAL NAVY PERTH SHERIFF COURT SC49/31/56
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Just to note , Coats of Arms , the index is free to search on SP but it's £10 to view the results.
ev
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Thanks for your two messages, Bruce. I will follow up. I appreciate your help.
Jonathan
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Thanks again, David. All that is registered is the crest - no coat of arms. My aim here is to try and clarify how my family came to possess items incorporating the crest - I'm fairly sure I have worked it out, but descendants of these Allens may be able to help.
Jonathan
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From O'Byrne's Naval Biography : Captain John James Allen (b. 15 May 1806) eldest son of John Lee Allen Esq of Errol Park, and brother of Captain Henry Murray Edward Allen. Married 28 Aug 1832 Lady Henrietta Dundas Duncan, eldest daughter of the Earl of Camperdown, grandaughter of the celebrated Admiral Lord Duncan, and sister of Vicount Duncan MP for Bath. They had two sons and two daughters.
Captain HME Allen married Mary Eversley 30 Dec 1841, daughter of the late John Eversley Esq.
Martin
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Grateful thanks, Martin.
I wasn't aware of the biography - it looks like a great resource.
Interestingly my information shows John James Allen with only one son, so I will have to follow that up.
Jonathan