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Title: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: tracy123 on Saturday 19 October 13 09:44 BST (UK)

Hi

I have a Grave Register for Preston Old Cemetery and can account for all people in the grave. I have all the births, marriages and deaths for them. My mum went to Preston and took a photo of the headstone for my records.  The headstone is in very bad condition. At the bottom left there are the words
ALSO OF
FRANK W
My problem is I don't have a Frank W in my Ward family tree. I am presuming the W stands for Ward. I have checked births and deaths  but nothing matches my family.
I cant work out how to upload the photo
Has anyone ideas to help please
Tracy

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 19 October 13 11:13 BST (UK)

Hiya Tracy...can you list the names AND years please
ie
James Ward 1835 - 1887

you may be lucky and have some of them on www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 19 October 13 11:21 BST (UK)

Could this be him ?
Francis Ward aged 35 burial 26th January 1793 at St Johns ,Preston.Lancashire ??
does Preston Old Cemetery have an official name ?...I presume St Johns is a churchyard - is St Johns still there ?

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: tracy123 on Saturday 19 October 13 12:29 BST (UK)

The gave register says
Burial              Deceased/age           
30/11/1872         Joseph Ward 1 year
06/01/1877         Ada Hunt   11 months
23/08/1910         Doris Ward    6 years
28/09/1910         Alice Ward     73 years
06/02/1913         Thomas Ward  80 years
01/09/1948         Joseph Ward  73 years
18/05/1955         Elizabeth Ward   86 years


I know Elizabeth never married. 

As far as St Johns I will have to check it out
Tracy

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: Shirleyjjj on Saturday 19 October 13 12:45 BST (UK)

hi,
on the headstones ive been looking at the ones at the bottom were sometimes but on last - as they added more names on as the later - so the earlier burials would be at the top and the later ones at the bottom (althought i may be wrong this is my own personal observation from my own research there may be exceptions of course to this rule !)


hope that helps

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: Duck on Saturday 19 October 13 18:16 BST (UK)

Preston Cemetery didn't open until 1855, so the Francis Ward who died in 1793 would have been buried at St Johns, there are no gravestones in the churchyard

There is a Frank Ward who died in Preston in 1956 aged 73, maybe he's your man?

On Monday I'll go to the cemetery office and see what they can tell me (send me a PM to remind me, I have a brain like a sieve)

Kind regards

Simon

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: Shirleyjjj on Saturday 19 October 13 18:40 BST (UK)

hi, yes also doesnt necessarily mean that hes buried there he may be just  'mentioned' - (just made a mess on mine when the guy was mentioned as being husband of someone but he was buried someone else has a seperate grave stone in the church down the road)

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: tracy123 on Saturday 19 October 13 18:55 BST (UK)

Hi
Thanks Simon that would be so helpful and kind of you. I can send you the papers I have on were the grave is.  The Frank you mentioned dates look good.

I think your right Andreajjj hes just mentioned, but have to find the conection
Tracy

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: Radcliff on Sunday 20 October 13 04:40 BST (UK)

Frank Ward of the Grove Penwortham near Preston Lancashire.Died 31 st May 1956,at St Josephs hospital Mount Street Preston,
Probate granted to James Hilton,retired local Government clerk.

Death registered Preston,June 1956 aged 73 years,

1901
Langton Street Preston,
RG 13 /3955
John Ward,head,aged 45,solicitors clerk,born Prston,
Emma wife aged 46,
Lillian aged 20.dressmaker,
Frank aged 18,Bridgemasters clerk,
Thomas,aged solicitors clerk,
Marion,aged 9,


Children of John Ward and Emma Kirby,
married Preston Christ Church 1877,
Margaret aged 2,

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: Radcliff on Sunday 20 October 13 05:15 BST (UK)

St Preston,
4th May 1879
John Ward
son of James Ward,
Emma Kirby
daughter of William Kirby,

St John, Preston,
23rd Feb 1845
John Ward
child of James Ward and Ann,
abode Friargate,
father a joiner,

siblings,Ellen 1837,Mary Ann 1839.Dorothy,1842

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: Radcliff on Sunday 20 October 13 08:39 BST (UK)

From your own research you know Thomas was born out Garstang way and he was a cotton overlooker,he had sons Thomas ,Joseph and James and daughter Maria,and am I correct in assuming the Elizabeth is his daughter,
Ada Hunt we worked out a little while ago,

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: Duck on Monday 21 October 13 11:33 BST (UK)

HI Tracy

There definitely isn't anybody but the ones you've mentioned in the grave.  Why the grave has Frank W on it is a mystery to the cemetery staff and they couldn't think of an explaination for it being there

Kind regards

Simon

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: Radcliff on Monday 21 October 13 11:54 BST (UK)

So back to the drawing board Simon, he must be buried elsewhere,

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: tracy123 on Monday 21 October 13 20:53 BST (UK)

Hi
Yes Elizabeth is Thomas daughter and James married a Mary Cooney.

My search for Frank and why hes there is going on.

Thanks all for your help

Tracy

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: Duck on Friday 21 March 14 13:57 GMT (UK)

Hi Tracy

With a bit of searching, I found the gravestone, it was buried, I took some photographs, but when I have some time I will go back and clean the grave and take some more pics

I seem to have forgotten how to attach a photo to a post, help please  ::) ::)

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: mosiefish on Friday 21 March 14 14:50 GMT (UK)

Quote from: Duck on Friday 21 March 14 13:57 GMT (UK)

I seem to have forgotten how to attach a photo to a post, help please  ::) ::)

Hi Simon  ;D ,

Tut Tut  ::)

Click on reply then click on Attachments below the box.

Mo

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: Duck on Friday 21 March 14 15:41 GMT (UK)

Hi Mo

I did that, but there doesn't appear to be anything that will upload a photo  ??? ???

Simon

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: josey on Friday 21 March 14 16:01 GMT (UK)

I think that's because this is a 'look up' board which does not have the ability for attachments enabled.

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: Duck on Friday 21 March 14 19:14 GMT (UK)

Thanks Josey, I thought it was my inability to use RootsChat  ;D

Title: Re: Frank W - Who are you?
Post by: tracy123 on Sunday 23 March 14 19:41 GMT (UK)

Thanks Simon for your time photographing the grave stone from several angles. They arrived in my inbox and are very clear with all the information i'm looking for.

Everyone is so helpful on this website. Its a joy to use and I have recommended it many times.

Thanks everyone who's helped

Tracy