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Would it be possible to find if Daniel Logan born 1827 an immigrant from Liverpool married in Melbourne
Daniel arrived there aboard the Monteagle in 1854 and died there in 1902.
Daniels parents were Daniel Logan and Ann Shiels
Thank you in advance for any help or information
Pam
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He died in 1904.
Death:
LOGAN Danl age 77yrs d. 1904 BALLT NAZ H #3655
Father: Danl LOGAN
Mother: Ann SHIELS
Burial:
http://ballaratcemeteries.com.au/php/sitesummary.php?id=9555
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I can't see a marriage on the VIC index for him.
Perhaps he lived in more than one state?
Resources:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wik/
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Thank you for taking the time to look Merlin.
It's very much appreciated
Pam
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Do you have his death certificate?
This is what can be recorded on Victorian BMD certificates:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
You can purchase online & download it immediately for a cost of $20AU.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
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No I don't.
A lady discovered the below information of his death just a few days ago
Daniel Logan death place Balt Naz H. Victoria. aged 77. Estimated birth year 1827
Parents Daniel Logan and Ann Shiels
Reg number 3655
Is the above enough as I live in England and don't know the Australian rules and regulations.
Pam
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Yes, I gave you that information above & also the link to purchase it.
He died as an inmate of Nazareth House Ballarat.
This will give you some information about the place, it is still an aged care facility.
http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/guide/vic/E000169
http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/ref/vic/biogs/E000752b.htm
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Thank you so much Merlin.
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Hospital records:
Creswick Hospital Admissions Register
LOGAN Daniel
Age: 45
PoB: England
Status: Single
Occupation: Labourer
Residence: tramp
Date admitted: 26 Jan 1873
Ballarat Hospital Admissions Register
LOGAN Daniel
Age: 60
PoB: Liverpool, England
Status: Widower
Occupation: Miner
Residence: Waterloo
Date admitted: 7 May 1888
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He was buried in the Ballarat New Cemetery on 28 May 1904 aged 77
Area : RCA
Roman Catholic A
Section : -9
Section 9
Row :
Grave : 56
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Hi there is a marriage in NSW
Name: Emily Salisbury Spouse Name: Daniel Logan
Marriage Date: 1884 Marriage Place: New South Wales Registration Place: Waterloo, Registration Year: 1884 Registration number: 3282
I know it is a stab in the dark, but Waterloo matches.
If its him there is a tree on Ancestry which gives details of a son John Edward , who served during WW1, the tree indicates he was born 1879, and religion RC
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NameSearch/Interface/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=8204359
good luck
Cass
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Hi there is a marriage in NSW
Name: Emily Salisbury Spouse Name: Daniel Logan
Marriage Date: 1884 Marriage Place: New South Wales Registration Place: Waterloo, Registration Year: 1884 Registration number: 3282
I know it is a stab in the dark, but Waterloo matches.
If its him there is a tree on Ancestry which gives details of a son John Edward , who served during WW1, the tree indicates he was born 1879, and religion RC
Cass, the WATERLOO I quoted above from the Ballarat Admission Registers is in VICTORIA about 30 miles from BALLARAT ;)
And that birth you quoted was registered 1881 NSW:
LOGAN John E b. 1881 SYDNEY #3667 - Parents: DANIEL & EMILY C
I had already checked this family & found that Daniel died in 1905 reg'd at LIVERPOOL, NSW & Emily remarried in 1905 to James COXALL reg'd at MARRICKVILLE, NSW.
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Oh well, as I said a "Stab in the dark"
I did not know that there is a Waterloo in Vic, should have checked before posting
sorry
Cass
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Oh well, as I said a "Stab in the dark"
I did not know that there is a Waterloo in Vic, should have checked before posting
sorry
Cass
No need to be sorry... people learn something new everyday :)
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Thank you so much for all the information.
I didn't expect to be able to see hospital admissions. It's a bit overwhelming to see Tramp on his records
Reading about Nazareth House was sad but something that had to be done.
It's a shame he didn't seem to have a really good life. I feel so sad for him.
Does Australia not have census records like we do here in the Uk? It would have been good to follow his trail from when he left England.
Thank you again.
Kind regards
Pam
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Thank you so much for all the information.
I didn't expect to be able to see hospital admissions. It's a bit overwhelming to see Tramp on his records
Reading about Nazareth House was sad but something that had to be done.
It's a shame he didn't seem to have a really good life. I feel so sad for him.
Does Australia not have census records like we do here in the Uk? It would have been good to follow his trail from when he left England.
Thank you again.
Kind regards
Pam
No, Australia does not hold much useful census information in the same way as Britain.
However our BMD certificates, Electoral Roll information and other resources are informative and in my opinion, more than compensate for the lack of census.
For your records, though not adding much to your queries, here is a registration to vote
1903
LOGAN, Daniel. Nazareth House . Mills Street, Ballarat.
Sue
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Hi Sue.
Thank you for the information.
It's very enlightening how different countries work.
and always good to know.
I'm hopeless on where to even start.
Here we have a free BMD site that I've spent months and months trawling through for different rellie's.
Having the census to work off was really helpful though as you say with electoral rolls too it can be as good
I just don't have a clue how to go about it.
It feels a daunting task mainly because Australia's so far away.
Thanks again for the above info on Daniel. I really appreciate your help
Pam
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As Maz has mentioned, Daniel is buried at Ballarat New Cemetery.
For your further interest, he is the only interment in that grave, so if he was a widower as stated on the Hospital record, he was not buried with his wife.
Perhaps it was a "common law" arrangement between Daniel and his "wife"
I suspect there will be not much more on the public record about Daniel, but you may find the death certificate of interest.
The download is very simple and just requires a cred/debit card. You have in hand all you need to fill out the online form. You will view it immediately after payment.
Sue
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Thanks Sue.
I just didn't know if there were any other records in existence to try.
I'll get his certificate at the beginning of next month. Payday.
Thank you everyone for all your help.
Kind regards
Pam
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I have downloaded Daniels death cert and found it only contains the name of his wife in England Sarah Mosley.
It states unknown if he had another wife
It does however verify his mothers maiden name of Shiels.
I am really pleased with that, at least I can give him his rightful place on my family tree and he will never be forgotten in England.
Thank you everyone for your help I really appreciate it
Merry Christmas and all the best for a happy and healthy 2014
Pam
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Hi Pam,
Certainly interested in your subject!
Bill
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Baptisms St Mary's Roman Catholic Church, Liverpool 1802-1906
5th Aug 1827. Baptised Daniel, son of Daniel and Ann LOGAN born 3st1 ult. Sponsors Philip HUGHES and Mary MAHON by me Thomas FISHER.
My resource has a little more information.....
Creswick Hospital In Patients Admissions Register 1863-1882
LOGAN Daniel
Hospital record
26 Jan 1873
Tramp [I've seen this before if the patient didn't have a permanent residence]
Birth Place England.
Age 45 years
Status Single
Occupation Labourer
How long in colony 19 years
Religion Roman Catholic
Result was - Cured or Convalesced Discharged on 20 Mar 1873
Ballarat Hospital Admissions Register 1856-1913
LOGAN Daniel
Hospital record
7 May 1888
Place [residence] Waterloo
Born Liverpool, England
Age 60
Status Widowed
Occupation Miner
How long in colony - 34 years
Religion Roman Catholic
Comment: Name of Recommender or remarks - Lexton Council
I wonder if the status widowed was assumed by the staff simply because he didn't have a wife's name to enter on the admissions register.
Cando
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Hi Bill
Do you have Logan connections?
Pam
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Hi Cando
That is Daniel's baptism you have posted.
It could well be an assumption by the staff. Or maybe he preferred to class himself as a widower rather than try and explain why his wife and son were in England and he was there!
Thanks for explaining that he may not have been a real tramp but between residences as it were..... It does sound far better doesn't it!
I was hoping he had married and had a good life but maybe he had one anyway.
His death record lists his wife Sarah Mosley and his parents but says unknown at another marriage and his issue was nil. Would that have been children only born in Australia?
Daniel's son Daniel was registered twice in 1851 Liverpool. Once by himself and once by Sarah. Both registrations had the same details on them
Two registrations of the same birth are very unusual but the lady at the registry office assured me it was the same child, which I found strange. Unless Daniel had registered his son while under the influence...and perhaps forgot!!
It would have been so good to find out more about his life but I have no idea where to look as I live in England.
Pam
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Hi Pam,
My interest in the Logan family is within the British Isles. Manchester and Leeds in the UK and County Mayo in Ireland. I notice that you list Birstall is your "interests" and I remember well a related family of mine (Logan, of course!) living there. The Christian name Bernard rings a bell!
Any connection on your side?
Bill
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Hi Bill
To be honest I only know of my great great grandfather Daniel and his brother John of the Logan males though there was an older brother Bernard born in Ireland before the family came to Liverpool.
Whether or not there were any other brothers that may have settled out of Liverpool I don't know
My Birstall and all Yorkshire links are on my mothers side of Cowdell, Patchett, Walker and Webster that I know of for definite.
If I do find any links I will post them for sure
Regards
Pam
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Hi, reading through the post am I right in thinking you have never found a marriage of Daniel Logan to Sarah Mosley. There is a strong contender but the surname has been recorded as Lyon. I only say this as I have had several surnames miss represented on certificates in the past. This marriage is Sept quarter 1850, Liverpool 20 204. Daniel and Sarah appear together without children in 1851 census ref HO107 564 34 19.
John
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Hi John
Thank you for your post but I do have Daniel and Sarah's marriage in Liverpool.
Mistranscriptions have played a big part in my research in my other surnames too as well as Daniels brother John, it can play havoc if you don't keep an open mind in researching can't it!
I'm looking for any possible marriage Daniel might have had in Australia.
Pam