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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Oxfordshire => Topic started by: adring on Tuesday 15 October 13 22:36 BST (UK)
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Hello All,
On advice from "Aristocrat" Nigel, I am posting my first message on the Beginner's Forum. Please be patient!
I am looking for DRINGS in (West) Oxfordshire and have cobbled together some information involving my direct ancestors from the Charlbury area:
Alfred Edward Dring: Born 1879 (Married to Edith Honey)
(Alfred's Father) Charles Dring: Born 1838? (Married to Mary, nee Biles, a widow of Reuben Biles? in 1877)
(Charles' Father) Joseph Dring: Born 1806? (Married to Sophia, nee Doare in 1832). They had four children, including Charles, and possibly another illegitimate daughter?
I am very new to this and am still unsure about how to proceed further back from Joseph. From parish records, I see there are 2 Josephs baptised in 1806 to 2 different couples in West Oxfordshire. Thomas & Mary OR Joseph & Mary. Which -if any- was he born to? And how do I find out?
I keep hearing about a George Dring, but have so far not traced him as a possible link. But as I said, I'm new!
Anyone got any advice? I've only got this far with the support of some very helpful people!
Best Wishes,
Ali
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Hiya Ali - sorry I can`t help with your Oxfds Dring family -but there are a few Dring here in Garston,Liverpool...
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html have a look on this site - been in this area since late 1700`s ...
if you do make a connection to Liverpool , let me know and I will get in touch with my mate who is a Dring
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Hi Ali, welcome to Rootschat ;D
I quick look has your Joseph the son of Thomas Dring and Mary Collett and Thomas's parents being John Dring and Sarah Silver
DropBear
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Also looks like children of Joseph and Sophia could be;
Jane born 1835
Eden born 1839
Charles born 1842
Emily born 1845
Ezra born 1849
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Of the above children these could be possible spouses;
Eden marries a Emma Burdock. Child of this marriage Nellie born 1881. Eden dies in 1883 and Emma marries Albert William Lander and has a further 4 children
Charles marries a Mary Gammage. Mary has previously been married to Reuben Biles and has 6 children. With Charles she has Alfred born in 1880
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Hi Ali
I have been doing some look ups for you and I have so much information I worry it will overwhelm you. So you have to think about what it is you need to find out because as well as loads of information you are going to be given it sometimes means you miss out on the fun of looking things up for your self. So think about what you want from posting on here - is it for us to do all the look ups and you just transcribe the info into your tree or is to search out hidden info or solve problems or simply teach / tutor you about how to look where? Or it may be a bit of each?
Any information I give you is without prejudice, may be wrong and may be misleading it could be miss representative as well!!
So this is what I have found thus far, really at the moment I am consolidating what you know already before you move back in time?
Alfred Edward Dring was born at Park Street, Charlbury and he was baptised at St Marys Church,. Charlbury on 10 Aug 1879, he married in 1902 at Headington, Reg Q2 v3a p1554 to Edith Honey B 1878 Reg Q3 v3a p683 Headington.
Tip ; Watch it when you consider where an event took place in regard to where its registrations took place. Headington can mean a whole swathe of Oxford City to the East and North of the city and includes many churches and at least 2 registry offices.
In a minute when you read on, Chipping Norton Registration, can include Chipping Norton it self but also the out lying smaller towns and villages - so do NOT assume the event took place in the registered office town!!!!
Charles Dring was born in 1838 at Finstock, he was baptised at St Marys Church, Charlbury on 19 Dec 1838. He married on to Mary Biles 1877 Reg Q4 v3a p1135 Chipping Norton - as you say she was a Widow, she had previously married on 9 Nov 1857 at All Saints Church, Shorthampton to Reuben Biles (sometimes spelt BYLES). Reuben died 13 Aug 1872 Reg Q3 v3a p443 Chipping Norton. Reuben and Mary also had at least 2 more children - Sarah B 1858 Shorthampton and Walter Jan 1861 Chilson.
Mary's maiden name was GAMMAGE, she was born circa 1834 in Witney.
Joseph Dring m 24 Dec 1832 at St Marys Church, Charlbury to Sophia Doare (sometimes spelt DORE) the marriage was after Banns, they were both from nearby Finstock. The witnesses were Charles Doare and Martha Doare, who both signed with a x.
Tell me what you think of all this, but I hope it is helping you?
Nigel
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Hi Nigel!
I am absolutely staggered as to how much information I have discovered in the last 24 hours from yourself and Drop Bear :o
Your e-mail is absolutely spot on about the overload of information! I am so far though enjoying the mix of new details turning up and me being able to find out more on the back of it. I now have a -thin- tree going back to Jno Dring...and then maybe Samuel, circa early 1700's? I'm still a little confused, but that's to be expected in the early days!
You have already fleshed out some of the details that I knew a little about and that's been great. Thanks for your advice on registration locations too. I didn't know that. So Charles & Martha couldn't read?!....
I know most about Alfred Edward Dring (who started Dring's Coaches in Oxford) and this has been fascinating. Back from him, I have Charles Dring & Mary Biles, Joseph Dring & Sophia Doare, Thomas Dring & Mary Collett, John Dring & Sarah Silver, Jno Dring & ? and then possibly Samuel Dring? I don't know too many details about these.
I have SO many lines to research, that I think I would be grateful for any help/information you had time to spare! Any tutoring/teaching gratefully received too. I.e. where can I order certificates?
Thanks Nigel,
Ali
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Ali
Here is the link you will need to get the certs;
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
You can also ask them at your local office but via their web site is so convenient but watch out they can dent the ole budget!!
So more info - mmm I shall wait a bi before I pass on more, I think I can take you can take a bit further but I reckon with all you have thus far you might benefit from just getting it all together and on to your tree before you start racing back in time and in so doing you may well miss some valuable clues to help you join stuff up later.
There are so many lines to bring down to living rellies, there is also all the anecdotal info, the social history of your family and we haven't even started to see how and where your family fit into other peoples trees. That is where you really do get in the red zone of info.
I have yet to talk to you about the DRINGS and COLLETTS from West Oxfordshire I have in my tree. Then there are all the web based sources of info, it really is all very overpoweringw hen you get started. So keep using us in here till you begin working things out for yourself, you seem to be starting really well anyway. Don't forget tat you can click on anyone's name in here - on the left of this message and select send PM and send another person a Personal Message - sometimes saves a bit of embarrassment for the daft questions!! It also facilitates sending more personal info should you need. Try it and test it out so you knwo how it works - send me a message as a test?
Do you know that you get all the PR's for Oxfordshire on CD from the Oxfordshire Family History Society, you can also join then for a very small fee and they are very helpful and also have an information center which is open some days of the week. Have a look at them;
http://www.ofhs.org.uk/
T ra for now
Nigel
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Ali
Here is the link you will need to get the certs;
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
You can also ask them at your local office but via their web site is so convenient but watch out they can dent the ole budget!!
So more info - mmm I shall wait a bi before I pass on more, I think I can take you can take a bit further but I reckon with all you have thus far you might benefit from just getting it all together and on to your tree before you start racing back in time and in so doing you may well miss some valuable clues to help you join stuff up later.
There are so many lines to bring down to living rellies, there is also all the anecdotal info, the social history of your family and we haven't even started to see how and where your family fit into other peoples trees. That is where you really do get in the red zone of info.
I have yet to talk to you about the DRINGS and COLLETTS from West Oxfordshire I have in my tree. Then there are all the web based sources of info, it really is all very overpoweringw hen you get started. So keep using us in here till you begin working things out for yourself, you seem to be starting really well anyway. Don't forget tat you can click on anyone's name in here - on the left of this message and select send PM and send another person a Personal Message - sometimes saves a bit of embarrassment for the daft questions!! It also facilitates sending more personal info should you need. Try it and test it out so you knwo how it works - send me a message as a test?
Do you know that you get all the PR's for Oxfordshire on CD from the Oxfordshire Family History Society, you can also join then for a very small fee and they are very helpful and also have an information center which is open some days of the week. Have a look at them;
http://www.ofhs.org.uk/
T ra for now
Nigel
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Hello all!
I am new to this Chat Room so please understand.
I am looking for the parents of Marian Dring who married William Trotman in 1584 in Black Bourton, OX, Wm Trotman was born in Stinchcombe, Glosc ca 1555/60 Her father could have been Simon Dring/Symon Dring who died in 1588.
I am also looking for the parents of Simon Dring b 1588 and died 1617 in Black Bourton. He married Lucy Rogers of Clanfield in 1610. Lucy then married William Trotman in 1623 at Burford who was the son of William Trotman and Marian Ding.
I am not sure how to receive answers to my questions so please email me directly at jctrotman@aol.com
Many thanks
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Jane
This is what I have found this morning for you. I will send it by e mail in case you miss this because others may read or find the thread of interest or use and it does not leave it 'hanging'
Dring Data from St Mary The Virgin Church, Black Bourton Parish Records (PR’s)
I must start by saying I accept no responsibility nor accountability for the data below if wrong, entered incorrectly or causes any harm how so ever caused.
This is simply a collation of extracts from the above records.
Drings not corroborated by any other data
John Dring married Elizabeth Belsire 28 Jan 1572
William Dring married Cycelye Chawney 28 May 1575
Cylene Dring married Thomas Deane 10 Feb 1590
Elizabeth Dring married William Dudsonne 10 May 1596 at Eaton, Nr Abingdon
Ellyn Dring married Anthonhy Straung 16 Aug 1576
Ellyn Dring married George Dean 14 Feb 1583
Elizabeth Dring married Thomas Younge 15 Feb 1579
Elizabeth Dring married Richard Morton of Bledington 29 Jan 1581
William Dring married Isabel Smith 12 Jan 1660
Margaret Dring married Richard Hemming 2 Aug 1632 at Burford
Edward baptised 1 Jan 1543 son of William
Thomas baptised 13 Oct 1579
Joan bur 20 Sept 1543
Gregory bur 18 Sept 1572
Olyver Dring married Eady ?????
Olyver bur 1 Apr 1587
Eady wife of Olyver bur 31 Mar 1613
Ellyn B circa 1560 d o Olyver
Marjery d o Olyver bur 19 Nov 1566
Agnes d o Olyver bapt 20 June 1562 marr Robert Field 17 Jan 1594
Mary bapt 4 Nov 1567 marr Richard Bartlett 22 Nov 1588
Caterying Joanne bapt 28 June 1575 d o Olyver
Katern bapt 24 July 1576 d o Olyver
Joanne d o Olyver bur 4 Aug 1576
Alexander Dring bur 15 July 1597 marr 26 Jan 1576 Elizabeth Shurland bur 19 Dec 1630
William s o Alexander bapt 3 Jan 1584
Marjorie d o Alexander bapt 4 Apr 1582
Symon s o Alexander bapt 24 Mar 1576
Agnes d o Alexander bapt 2 Mar 1588
John Dring bur 27 July 1577
Joane d o John bapt 8 April 1577
Marie d o John bapt 26 Mar 1574 marr Fraunsis Clerk 12 Oct 1594 at Clanfield
Now then Simon/ Symon
I think having been through all I have and PR’s etc it looks like this:
SIMON Bapt 20 Ap 1562 Bur 10 Nov 1573 I cannot see who he married, and he had at least 5 children:
1. Maryan (Marian) Bapt 20 Apr 1562 marr William Trotman 14 June 1584 they had a son = William Trotman marr 1623 Lucy Rogers at Burford, she was a widow.
2. Joan bapt 7 July 1567 marr 18 Nov 1599 William Sperincke
3. Ellyn bapt 27 Mar 1573 bur 23 Apr 1573. Died at Bradwell where her dad was a farmer
4. Lucy bapt 9 Aug 1573
Symon bapt 2 Nov 1564 marr Anne. They had a son Simon bapt 8 Feb 1588 bur 25 Aug 1617 who marr on 30 Apr 1610 Lucy Rogers. He, Simon was described in the PR’s as a Gent = Gentleman. Lucy was d o John Rogers a Gentleman of Clanfield. NOTE PR’s say this Simon is buried in the Chancery inside the church at Black Bourton so should be findable!! Quote’ son of Simon and farmer of Bourton Abbats in the Chancel, being the first that was buried there
Simon and Lucy had at least 4 children:
1. Nicholas bapt 7 Jan 1616
2. Mary bapt 4 Aug 1615
3. John bapt 14 Dec 1612
4. William bapt 19 June 1614 bur 15 May 1620
Now there is now another Simon for whom I cannot find a baptism to prove a link but he was definitely there and had at least the following children;
1. Dorothy bapt 2 Oct 1634
2. Simon bapt 8 May 1636
3. John Bapt 17 Dec 1637
4. Marion and Mary both bapt 23 May 1640 = twins?
5. An (not a typo – as transcribed) bapt 7 Apr 1642
6. William bapt 3 July 1648
7. Miriam bapt 24 June 1651 bur 29 June 1651
8. Aaron bapt 29 June 1651 bur 4 July 1651
9. Dorcas bapt 6 Dec 1652
William Trotman married on 22 Nov 1623 to Lucy Dring at St John the Baptist Church, Burford. His name was entered in the PR’s as William Trettman and hers as Luci Dringe of Black Bourton.
No other Trotman nor Trettman entries in Burford
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Dear Nigel,
I am over the moon with your response. Thank you so very much for spending the time to copy all the Dring information. There is very little on this family :-( and almost no one researching it. I know there were some Drings in Bampton. It is my understanding that the Drings were Norsemen.
The name Dring, I think, means a "worker". I think the Drings started out in Yorkshire. But as an American - don't hold me to it???
I have quite a bit of the info you found, but you have more. I am going to redo my Pedigree chart today and get it more accurate. I had Simon Dring b 1540 the s/o a Thomas Dring and Margery. Not sure this is now correct. I knew there had to be a relationship between Marian Dring who m. William Trotman b ca 1555/60( in Stinchcombe GLO ) in 1584 in Black Bourton and Simon Dring b 1588 d. 1617 who m. Lucy Rogers of Clanfield in 1610 in Black Bourton.
There could not have been that many people in Black Bourton, but still a thriving community before the plague. Oliver Cromwell stopped the record keeping :-(
There was a Robert Dring who died 1645 and left a will which is in the National Archives. Probate: 11/193 I will google the Archives to see how I may get a copy. Secondly!!! how do I read it???
With great appreciation for your help and time. Jane Trotman in Houston, Texas
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Hi Jane
Good I am glad the info is of use.
The Dring line in my tree is back to 1690 - John - born in West Oxfordshire, married Elizabeth Crawley.
Let me know if these crop up in your research?
I have a full set of the Oxfordshire Parish Records - just e mail me if you need a look up - any time.
Regards
Nigel