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Title: Charles Sansom (Vagrant) b.1881 Married Sarah Jobson.How to trace Birthplace.
Post by: shyster2008 on Sunday 13 October 13 15:36 BST (UK)
Hi All

Can you help on this Thread??

What I would like to know is the following...

Where or how do I find out about my ancestor Charles Sansom b.1881?  All I know is that he was a vagrant and is untraceable before he married Sarah Jobson in Birmingham.  I have been told that he had 2 sisters Jane and Kate, who had a secondhand shop in Birmingham.  I have tried to research him and have found several variations on his surname ie Sanson and Sansome but know that his proper name is Sansom.  I am trying to find his parents and other siblings and have come to a full stop.

Hope someone can help.
Brian.
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Title: Re: Charles Sansom (Vagrant) b.1881 Married Sarah Jobson.How to trace Birthplace.
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 13 October 13 15:48 BST (UK)
Does his marriage cert name his father and his occupation?

Kay
Title: Re: Charles Sansom (Vagrant) b.1881 Married Sarah Jobson.How to trace Birthplace.
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 13 October 13 15:58 BST (UK)
You have probably already seen this birth on FreeBMD and investigated it but just in case

Charles Sansome in Dec qtr 1881 - Aston 6d 439
Title: Re: Charles Sansom (Vagrant) b.1881 Married Sarah Jobson.How to trace Birthplace.
Post by: shyster2008 on Sunday 13 October 13 16:38 BST (UK)
hi Kay99

Found the Birthyear from the 1901 census but am not sure where to go from here.

Brian
Title: Re: Charles Sansom (Vagrant) b.1881 Married Sarah Jobson.How to trace Birthplace.
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 13 October 13 16:45 BST (UK)
Where do you have him in 1901, is this him?

All born Birmingham
Samuel Painter   24
Hannah Painter   21
Frank Worrel   18
Charles Sansome 20 Boarder
Sarah Sansome   20 Boarder
George Worral   12
RG12/2846 f120 p32

There is another birth reg in 1881 that could be him  :-\
December qtr 1881
SANSOM    Charles   
Birmingham    6d   157   

Title: Re: Charles Sansom (Vagrant) b.1881 Married Sarah Jobson.How to trace Birthplace.
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 13 October 13 16:50 BST (UK)
His marriage cert to Sarah should name his father

Charles Sanson  Dec qtr 1898  Birmingham    6d   139   
Title: Re: Charles Sansom (Vagrant) b.1881 Married Sarah Jobson.How to trace Birthplace.
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 13 October 13 17:00 BST (UK)
Although the name is Sampson I keep coming back to this family in 1891 Living at 15, Little Edward Street, Bordesley, Birmingham.  All born Birmingham.  Edit - In 1901 Jane is listed as Sansom and living with son Albert

SAMPSON, Joseph     46    Corporation Night Toil Man   
SAMPSON, Jane    Wife   44    
SAMPSON, Joseph    25     Carpenter Labourer   
SAMPSON, George 23    Carpenter Labourer   
SAMPSON, Jane    14    
SAMPSON Thomas 12
SAMPSON, Charles 10           
SAMPSON, John    6         
SAMPSON, Albert 6 months   
RG12 piece 2412 folio 103 page 16
Title: Re: Charles Sansom (Vagrant) b.1881 Married Sarah Jobson.How to trace Birthplace.
Post by: cath151 on Sunday 13 October 13 17:07 BST (UK)
Hi
Marriage 26 Nov 1898, St Gabriels Church, Deritend
Charles Sanson bachelor 18    Labourer  ?ry Road  father George Sanson  Labourer
Sarah Ann Jobson  spinster 18   Lillie Crescent, Derby Street  father Henry Jobson  Labourer
Witnesses Ellen Jobson and another I can t read but surname not sanson

Cathy
Title: Re: Charles Sansom (Vagrant) b.1881 Married Sarah Jobson.How to trace Birthplace.
Post by: cath151 on Sunday 13 October 13 17:09 BST (UK)
I think the same family Kay99 mentions is possibly on the 1881 census, head George. Not sure, I did come across it but would need checking
Cathy
Title: Re: Charles Sansom (Vagrant) b.1881 Married Sarah Jobson.How to trace Birthplace.
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 13 October 13 17:19 BST (UK)
Good find Cathy - It does look like the same family in 1881 - Living at 1 Back of 19 Railway Terr, Duddeston

George Sansom    36 Brass Caster
Jane Sansom    34
Joseph Sansom    14
George Sansom    13
Louisa Sansom    8
Jane Sansom    4
Thomas Sansom 2
Title: Re: Charles Sansom (Vagrant) b.1881 Married Sarah Jobson.How to trace Birthplace.
Post by: shyster2008 on Sunday 13 October 13 20:14 BST (UK)
Where do you have him in 1901, is this him?

All born Birmingham
Samuel Painter   24
Hannah Painter   21
Frank Worrel   18
Charles Sansome 20 Boarder
Sarah Sansome   20 Boarder
George Worral   12
RG12/2846 f120 p32

There is another birth reg in 1881 that could be him  :-\
December qtr 1881
SANSOM    Charles   
Birmingham    6d   157




Hi rosie 99...

I think that this matches what I have but what I want is how to find Charles` Parents and their Siblings..

Where do you think I should look? And thank you for your efforts up to now.

Brian
Title: Re: Charles Sansom (Vagrant) b.1881 Married Sarah Jobson.How to trace Birthplace.
Post by: shyster2008 on Sunday 13 October 13 20:24 BST (UK)
Hi
Marriage 26 Nov 1898, St Gabriels Church, Deritend
Charles Sanson bachelor 18    Labourer  ?ry Road  father George Sanson  Labourer
Sarah Ann Jobson  spinster 18   Lillie Crescent, Derby Street  father Henry Jobson  Labourer
Witnesses Ellen Jobson and another I can t read but surname not sanson

Cathy




Hi cath151

This is promising but what I want to know is how to get back to his Parents????  ie George Sansom and Spouse.Where to look now!!!!  Any Ideas???

Anyway, thanks for giving me the name of his Father...George..Thanks.

Now need the name and maiden name of his mother!!!

Brian.
Title: Re: Charles Sansom (Vagrant) b.1881 Married Sarah Jobson.How to trace Birthplace.
Post by: shyster2008 on Sunday 13 October 13 20:37 BST (UK)
Hi all  :D

Thankyou all for your quick replies.  Rosie... we do have Charles and Sarah boarding at the age of 20 so this is the correct people.  Also Cath and Kay these do seem correct about the wedding as we knew about sarah having a sister Ellen and the church does seem local to where we believe they were so this all does seem to make sense.  The information from the 1881 census looks to be the right family and was new information for us.... thank you. 
Title: Re: Charles Sansom (Vagrant) b.1881 Married Sarah Jobson.How to trace Birthplace.
Post by: cath151 on Sunday 13 October 13 21:17 BST (UK)
Hi,
Looking again at the marriage I think Charles was resident Fawdry Street Aston.
There is a private tree on Ancestry with Charles being born 6 Nov 1881 with parents George Sansom and Jane Brakewell. Online trees information should be taken carefully of course but it seems to have quite a lot of info.
Cathy