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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Nova67 on Saturday 12 October 13 06:06 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I understand that there is limit of over seventy years to apply for a death certificate in Saskatchewan and I think I need a definite year for Vital Statistics to search for. I am looking for a cemetery record for my great-great Uncle, who apparently no one ever heard of again once he left England for the US.
I have worked out that he moved from Oklahoma to Saskatchewan, Canada.
He was last found on the Canada Voter Lists in 1940, retired, aged 84. He does not appear after that - not on the subsequent 1945 electoral list. At the time he was living in Parkside, Prince Albert, Saskatchewan; with, to my knowledge, no next of kin in Canada. He did not marry. Lists religion as none on the 1916 Census - in Parkside.
Details are: Mark W Pringle (I think the middle name is likely to be Wilson, as that was surname at birth)
b. 1856 Blyth, Northumberland, England
Occupation: Blacksmith
Thank you for any advice,
Nova67
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The Our Roots website has a local history book about Parkside which had a few mentions of a Mark Pringle. There were no personal details but curiously in one entry it says "Or I could tell you of Mark Pringle (not his real name)...". Could that be a reference to his birth name being different or is it a different person? Here's a link to that page: http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wh8/ (http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wh8/)
You may want to re-think ordering a copy of a death registration from Saskatchewan as they are very expensive ($50 Canadian).
Jacquie
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Nova
To order a death registration you need a date of death. Jacquie is right it is very expensive for the genealogical copy. I believe it is only $25.00 Canadian for the regular certificate which will include name, date of death and place of death. My thought on this is unless he told someone about his family in England and being single with no family the regular certificate would be your best bet.
Now if one can only find when he died
I have searched hi and low and so far not found a burial record for him.
I will wait until Tuesday with Monday being Thanksgiving here in Canada and see if I can find any information.
I did not find him on Saskatchewan Residents Indexes or Burial Indexes so I shall put on my thinking cap and see what else I can come up with.
I am a former Saskatchewan resident and have done a lot of research there. I like a good challenge.
Lilybell
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Hello,
Many thanks for your thoughts.
I guess the burial details are the most important. Apparently my grandfather mentioned to my aunt the anecdotal information about him going to America and never being heard of again, so I was chuffed to find him. Don't know how he would feel about it! I feel if I can find out the death, he is truly found.
Re: Details are: Mark W Pringle (I think the middle name is likely to be Wilson, as that was surname at birth)
b. 1856 Blyth, Northumberland, England
Occupation: Blacksmith
There is no Mark Pringle birth registered in England of this generation, but per his birth estimate on the English Census I am thinking he was Mark Wilson at birth. His mother was Jane Wilson and father William Pringle. They did not marry until 1858, hence I assume Mark was Wilson at birth as there is a registration that fits - it would be very much a Northumbrian tradition to have the surname as a middle name. Appears always as Pringle after this.
He was running a blacksmith shop in Parkside in 1916. His Wilson grandfather would have taught him the trade. He is listed everywhere as a blacksmith.
Thank you for any advice,
Nova67
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The Our Roots website has a local history book about Parkside which had a few mentions of a Mark Pringle. There were no personal details but curiously in one entry it says "Or I could tell you of Mark Pringle (not his real name)...". Could that be a reference to his birth name being different or is it a different person? Here's a link to that page: http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wh8/ (http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wh8/)
You may want to re-think ordering a copy of a death registration from Saskatchewan as they are very expensive ($50 Canadian).
Jacquie
Thanks Jacquie. Only trouble is, he is Mark Pringle. Interesting though. It is him on Page 39 of the book though. That's great :)
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Oh and happy thanksgiving. We don't have that here.
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Hey Nova/Jac/Lily,
It appears that there are 4 cemeteries in Parkside not sure if any are buried there. Parkside is a very small village so there may not be a town office there.
If you are looking for a burial it may be helpful to check out Shellbrook funeral home (about 10 minutes up the highway :) ) they may be able to point you in the right direction.
http://www.beaulacfuneralhome.com/
or the other one:
http://www.northernfuneralservice.ca/about/directionsb.php
http://www.shellbrook.net/
Happy hunting:
Jeff
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Thanks Jeff
Local knowledge helps. I have written some emails. Beau Lac Funeral Home did not have an email, but I have tried the other two.
I guess he could have died in a hospital, so maybe laid to rest somewhere near one?
Regards,
Nova67
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Thanks Jacquie. Only trouble is, he is Mark Pringle. Interesting though. It is him on Page 39 of the book though. That's great :)
Until it is confirmed to be him then it might not be. But as I said, if it is your Mark the reference to it not being his real name could be that he was born Wilson.
Jacquie
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Hello Nova
Have made contact with a fellow in Parkside and he is going to do some more checking around for info on Mark Pringle. He was on the committee for Parksides's 100th anniversary.He does know the name.
As soon as I hear back from him I will contact you.
Lilybell
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Jeff put the idea in my head of trying the municipal offices. I have written emails to Leask, Parkside and Shellbrook now. I thank you Lilybell for your direct help in contacting also.
It is great that it is the 100th anniversary of Parkside - people are very interested in the history.
From Leask: I received a copy of some information from the Saskatchewan Archives about a Mark Pringle: a single, British, 50 year old farmer from Shellbrook. (I have M W Pringle on the 1906 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta, a blacksmith, living in Shellbrook).
Quote: He applied for entry to SE 10-49-4-W3 on May 6 1903. He built in 1907 and lived there continuously from July 1, 1908 to July 21, 1910.
Not sure what all those numbers and letters mean? District or land reference? It is describing his dwelling after that.
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The numbers refer to his land description SE Section 10 Township 49 Range 4 W3 meridian.
Lilybell
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Thanks Lilybell.
This man is becoming more interesting, as I think I have just accidentally made a new discovery. I was going back to look at him on the Canadian Census, when it started searching Australian records instead (normally I curse this, but not today). He appears to have come to Sydney. Only gives name: Mark W Pringle Departed from London (Anc**try has it as Sweden, but other images say London) in 1884. Vessel: Sorata.
My great-great grandmother (his sister) and her family arrived exactly three months later in 1884 in Brisbane and later settled in New South Wales. Other uncles were already in the Colony from the 1870's.
He was last found on the 1881 England Census at Earsdon, Northumberland Occupation: Blacksmith, living with father and brothers. Estimated arrival in the USA is 1888, per 1900 United States Federal Census Occupation: Blacksmith
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Where was he living on 1900 US census?I only have a Canadian membership on
A****try so can not look at records outside Canada. Have you found a passenger record
for him coming to the US.
Lilybell
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There is a great resource: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cansacem/ MAny of the cemeteries have been photographed as well
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Lilybell, you can view this image of the 1900 United States Federal Census for free:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MMGL-5K8 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MMGL-5K8)
Living at ED 207 Cloud Chief Township (south half), Washita, Oklahoma Territory
Not found in the US after that.
His age is a bit different as Nov 1860. If you look there is no one called Mark Pringle born in England until 1884:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl (http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl)
I will order what I think is his birth certificate as Mark Wilson in 1856. November would make sense.
Please let me know if you need me to try and look up anything for you outside Canada :)
Thank you to the other Lily. Will look.
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Have you found a passenger record
for him coming to the US.
Lilybell
No luck with that!
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Hello Nova
I just heard back from my source on Parkside with some info on Mark Pringle.
Mark died May 20 1942 and is buried at North Battleford Saskatchewan which is about 100 miles from Parkside.
He will email me a copy of his obituary which I will forward on to you if you PM me. He is checking further to see if he can come up with anything else of interest
I did find Mark on the 1906 and the 1916 census but did not find him on the 1911 census. Both these census indicated that he had land. Western Canada Land Grant land description SE Part Section 10 Township 49 Range 4 W3 meridian. Do not know if he still had this land when he moved to Parkside or if he sold it.
I wonder if he took a trip back home around the time of the 1911 census which might account for him not being on it or maybe he got missed.
Lilybell :) :) :)
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Lilybell, I have sent you a PM. My thanks to you and your contact at Parkside :) :) :) Thrilled you have found it! Please pass on my thanks for their time and effort.
Regards,
nova67
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Mark Pringle is most likely the Mikel Pringel found in the same Saskatchewan location on the 1911 Canadian census
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I looked through the 1911 Census previously page by page and could not find him? Or was this just a suggestion? Have I missed it?
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Ahhh... I get it "Mikel Pringel"! He is a farmer and Anglican.
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I wish to thank absolutely everyone in Roots Chat who has helped way beyond trying to find the burial of my missing Great-Great Uncle. The variety of information has exceeded my expectations. It is always great to be able to find out that bit more about a person. I now know he died 12 May 1942 and where he is buried. His many and varied occupations beyond the trade of blacksmith. I have received his obituary, which confirmed he was from Blyth. More indications of "not his real name" - which I can only imagine refers to not being born a Pringle. I am still awaiting some information via snail mail. What I think is his birth certificate from England and some more information from Saskatchewan.
Thanks for also finding him in 1911 and for all the interesting anecdotal information. Special thanks to Lilybell for all the PM's and follow ups ;D
Kind Regards,
nova67
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For anyone searching further
please check this out for Sask Cemeteries. It even has most gravestone photos
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cansacem/