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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: BAC3 on Saturday 05 October 13 12:38 BST (UK)
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This gentleman arrived aboard the Randolph at Sydney on 20/08/1849 and was immediately granted a Ticket of Leave to work in the Bathurst District......this was cancelled on 25/07/1851 by the Carcoar Bench after he absented himself from the District. And that is the last mention of him.
Hopefully somebody can help fill in the missing post-1851 details about his life.
He was born c1835 in Bath, Somerset, the son of John and Ann Luckman.
Thank you
BAC3
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Bathurst district 1851 = GOLDRUSH ;D
Newspaper gives his name reversed - John Alexander LUCKMAN.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12928961
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Hi Tony :)
He is Alexander LUCKMAN on the 1841 census with parents John and Ann and Alexander John on all available online records to 1851.
Other than the newspaper snippet I can find no trace of him however there are John LUCKMAN's in both Tasmania and Qld. Co-incidentally the John LUCKMAN in Tasmania was born in 1835 however his birth registration is on the Tasmanian Index.
Possibly used an alias if he left the district. Goldrush also in the Colony of Victoria.
Cheers
Cando
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and was immediately granted a Ticket of Leave to work in the Bathurst District
I find this interesting and would be interested to learn more about such events from those who have more knowledge than me.
I have certainly read about convicts who were granted leave, pardons and freedoms very soon after arrival, but these were men whose special skills and professions were desperately needed in the colonies-draughtsmen, instrument makers etc.
How was this granted to a 17 year old?
Sue
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Sue, he was one of the 'convict exiles' ;)
Convict transportation to New South Wales effectively ceased in 1842 but between 1849-50 exiles were transported. Exiles had served part of their sentence in a penitentiary in Britain and were granted a conditional pardon or ticket of leave on arrival in the Colony.
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His TOL states he was 18 years of age.
The handwritten comments are difficult to read.
Transferred to Carcoar 21 Jun 1850.
Letter ?required......
Cancelled 4 Apr 1851 for abscond from district.
Gov s**** ?no List Reqd.
His seven year sentence for larcency would have been completed on 12 Jul 1851.
Cando
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HI
John Alexander Lackman ( may have changed name ?)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/87862823?searchTerm=lackman alexander&searchLimits=
Muss
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Very speculative research....
Marriage in Qld - cert should list parents of bride and groom. You can now purchase certificates online an immediately download AUD$20.
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m
1860/C182
LUCKMANN John
CHATTERTON Elisabeth Ann
There are frequent mentions of an Elisabeth/Elizabeth LUCKMAN in the Qld press .
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper
No children recorded on Qld bdm.
Death
1890/C3526
LUCKMAN Elizabeth
There were also gold rushes in New Zealand and California and as I mentioned previously, he may have changed his name.
Cando
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HI
John Alexander Lackman ( may have changed name ?)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/87862823?searchTerm=lackman alexander&searchLimits=
Muss
More than likely not the same person Muss this guy in Trove if the same person got married and had children very late 1890's
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HI
John Alexander Lackman ( may have changed name ?)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/87862823?searchTerm=lackman alexander&searchLimits=
Muss
I doubt this is your man
Birth in Victoria
LACKMANN John Alexander
Father Augustus Ferdi Mother Sarah RODGERS
At Digby 1864 Reg#2011
Marriage in WA
LACKMANN John Alexander
GOFFEY Catherine
District Kalgoorlie Reg#178 1896
Possible death
Death
LACKMANN John A
1936 District Northam Reg#120
Cando
Edit - Descendants of Augustus and Sarah were pioneer settlers, along with my grandparents, in my local district.
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Wife Catherine died in 1946 wife of A. LACKMANN. Newspaper snips refer to John Alexander as "Alick".
Buried in the Wyalkatchem Cemetery
LACKMAN Catherine. Wife of Alexander, mother of Florence and John. 24 May 1946 aged 74 years
LACKMANN Alex Aged 75 years
Not your Alexander John LUCKMAN.
Cando
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:)
NSW SRO has his surname as SUCKMAN
::)
Cheers, JM
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Thank you for all the comments and suggestions.
One other thought did occur that a lot of convicts made their way to NZ but this, too, turned out negative.
BAC3 ???
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What would happen to an exile who had been 'absent from district' if he returned/was 'captured'?
Would he be sent to prison?
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What would happen to an exile who had been 'absent from district' if he returned/was 'captured'?
Would he be sent to prison?
Hi and welcome to RootsChat Triki,
When these people were transported, the colonies of Victoria and Queensland had not yet been hived off from the colony of New South Wales, so for the exile to be 'absent from district' would effectively mean absent from the three eastern seaboard colonies....
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-to-convict-records/index-to-convict-exiles/index-to-convict-exiles#about-the-index
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkhurst_apprentices
As I have understood it, the exiles had already served part of their sentence in Britain, and were basically released from the remainder of their sentence on landing in the colonies. I may well be wrong, but I believe any further convictions would have been colonial convictions, and therefore dealt with according to the relevant colonial law.
Cheers, JM
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I got the impression that 'district' was much more localised than that. Otherwise, why would he have had to have his 'district' changed from Bathurst to Carcoar in 1850?
The original post was as a result of a query I made to the poster. Alexander is an ancestor of mine and I have been tracing him from his birth, through his parents death, his conviction, time in Parkhurst and his exile to Australia. He did serve a good deal of time in Parkhurst (1844-1849) and as has been pointed out only had a few months to serve.
I did contact the Cowra Family History Group who did a quick search but couldn't find any more information. Only that he had an unclaimed letter at the 'Post Office'. I guess I may pay for them to do a more thorough search and perhaps find out more about the letter. If it was from England I have a feeling it may help fill in a missing link if it still exists.
He did serve a good deal of time in Parkhurst (1844-1849) and as has been pointed out only had a few months to serve.
Unfortunately his sister didn't fair too well after their parent's deaths either and led a life of crime and impropriety.
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12928961 SMH 26 July 1851 ….. absent from Carcoar …. Just weeks after the official announcements re Gold discoveries at Ophir. Ophir is so very near to Carcoar, much easier to get to Ophir from Carcoar than from Sydney…..
Notice that two lads from the Randolph were missing …. John Alexander Luckman and Joseph Morris …. Perhaps they both caught Gold Fever and RUSHED off to the Gold Rushes …..
:) NSW SRO has his surname as SUCKMAN ::)
Cheers, JM
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/62215988 17 May 1851 Bathurst Free Press .... Gold Fever ...
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Joseph MORRIS, an exile (originally a ten year sentence dating from 1846 !) .... found not guilty of murder ..... noticing there's no mention of his absconding back in April 1851 with Mr Luckman ....
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12948485 SMH 29 Aug 1853
Cheers, JM
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https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/research-topics/convicts/new-south-wales-convict-records-lost-and-saved
Some interesting and informative comments re NSW convict records lost and saved.
Cheers, JM
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Hi
Thanks for the additional information.
I had the report of his TOL being cancelled and noticed another lad from his ship had gone missing at the same time. The goldrush looks a likely reason for his departure, from his previous behaviour in Parkhurst it is not unusual for him to not 'toe the line'.
If they had gone prospecting, as his 'co-escapee' appears to have 'returned', we can assume they didn't make their fortune. One hopes that Alexander may also have returned and the trail may not be stone cold.
A shame about the loss of records, as I'm always telling my wife, "I won't throw it out it might be useful one day".
Cheers
Dik
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Could Alexander have made his fortune?
From Westport Times 7 August 1869.
A nugget was brought into the Union Bank, Rockhampton, on July 15th, from Mount Wheeler, Cawarral; it was found one foot from the surface and contains 258 ounces 11dwts. pure gold. This splendid nugget was discovered by a boy named Cadden, working with his father. Another nugget was found just under the ground in an adjoining claim, by a lad named Luckman, weighing 180 ounces and also placed in the Bank.