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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: joyce33 on Monday 30 September 13 20:35 BST (UK)
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I wonder if anyone can help me with information regarding distant relatives who went to Canada in 1922? The couple in question were Robert Yule McDougall (born 1887 Peterhead, Scotland; died 1974 Canada) and his wife Mary Hay (Buchan) McDougall (born 1895 Peterhead, Scotland; died @1931 Toronto, Canada).
They were married in Scotland before Robert emigrated to Toronto, Canada in July 1922. Mary followed later but I'm not sure when. They had 4 children: M(b1920),K(b1923), S(b1925) and J(b1928). I was interested to know if some of the above or their children are still living in Toronto and perhaps to communicate about family history.
Thanks
Joyce
My relationship to Robert and Mary is that their Mothers, Jemima and Jane Hutchison(sisters) were first cousins of my great granny Mary Calder. We share the same g.g.grandparents John Hutchison and Jane (ms Cameron)Hutchison who lived in Peterhead, Aberdeenshire, Scotland.
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Hi Joyce,
Welcome to Rootschat!!
I have found the Form 30A immigration records for Mary and her eldest daughter. They came to Canada on the Metagama in Oct 1922.
Mary
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=5&q3=673&sqn=4367&tt=4973&PHPSESSID=lstjh0tk887un8o50f89qdjvj3
Daughter
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=5&q3=673&sqn=4365&tt=4973&PHPSESSID=lstjh0tk887un8o50f89qdjvj3
Canada has fairly strict privacy laws, so there aren't many records available for the time period you seek. We have to rely on City Directories, Newspaper accounts, Cemetery records etc. As for City Directories, the Toronto Public Library has the full collection. You can contact them for lookups.
http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/ask-a-librarian/
The Toronto Star newspaper archive is searchable online. It is a paid site, but not very expensive.
http://pagesofthepast.ca/
I did a quick search for Robert's obit in 1974 but didn't see one. Do you know the exact date that Robert died? An obit could give married names for the daughters.
I found the marriage of daughter K. She was married in November 1945 (29 Nov. edition, page 24) to a Mr S Sheldon. K's middle initial is J. It says she is the daughter of Cpl Robert Y McDougall and Mrs McDougall. Mrs is not referred to as "late", so are you sure Mary died in 1931?? The Bride's sister Miss S (name corresponds to what you have) McDougall was one of the attendants. There is a Miss B McDougall who was the flower girl.
As far as tracing living people, you can search the online phonebook at
http://www.canada411.ca/
Rootschat tries to protect privacy too - so they request that when you are referring to people who are still living, you use their initials instead of full names. Would you please modify your initial post to replace the full names of the children with initials -- unless you know that they are no longer living. Thanks :)
RK
Added -- there is a photo of K McDougall and her husband S Sheldon in the Nov 30, 1945 edition of the Star, page 22.
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Thank you RK for all your helpful information.
Will follow up tomorrow.
Cheers
J
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Death of Mary Hay McDougall Feb 6, 1932 at St. Joseph's Hospital Toronto. Born Mar 26, 1895, Scotland, d/o John Buchanan and Jeanne (? ) Hutchison - both of Scotland. W/o Robert McDougall of Howard St. Humber Bay, Ont. Burial Park Lawn Cemetery.
ancestry has indexed Hay in her name as May
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Hi,
Looks like K McDougall Sheldon, husband S Sheldon and daughter S Sheldon went to California to live in 1950.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21735-25911-71?cc=1916040&wc=MM1N-ZVX:1207940882
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-21735-24933-80?cc=1916040&wc=MM1N-ZVX:1207940882
Their daughter's card is the one before her father's. You can page back and find it from his. It gives her date of birth in Toronto.
RK
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Hi again
I was searching the Sheldon daughter's name and I found a memorial record for someone with that same name (including middle initial) and the same date of birth as on the US immigration form. The memorial was printed in the Ottawa Citizen paper, so I don't know if it belongs to your relative or not.
http://www.federationgenealogie.qc.ca/avisdeces/avis/pdf?id=350545
I am trying to find the original obit (not just this memorial notice), but no luck so far. :(
RK
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Thanks again RK for all this great info. I'm almost certain that you have discovered the correct Sally Sheldon granddaughter of Robert and Mary McDougall. Perhaps the Sheldon family returned to Canada from California when Mr Sheldon passed away as there is no mention of papa in the memorial, just mama. What a lovely girl with a beautiful smile. So sad to die so young and predecease a parent.
Also correct death of Mary Hay McDougall in 1932. Perhaps Robert remarried, hence the Mrs McDougall mentioned in the marriage notice?
I'm still hopeful of tracing the son J McDougall b.1928 - it is possible he is still alive 84/85yrs?
On a different note - do you have any ancestors from Scotland / U.K whom I may be able to try and help you trace?
Best Regards
Joyce
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Could this be a possibility for Robert. ???
Robert Y McDougall born 9 Sept 1887 and aged 73 years, retired, travelled Montreal Quebec to Greenock Scotland on the Empress of Britain arriving 10 October 1960.
Also travelling Jessie I McDougall born 5 th August 1915 and aged 45 years, housewife. Both going to 2 Fonthill Gardens, Aberdeen N. Intended stay 5/6 weeks.
Sandra
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Could this be a possibility for Robert. ???
Robert Y McDougall born 9 Sept 1887 and aged 73 years, retired, travelled Montreal Quebec to Greenock Scotland on the Empress of Britain arriving 10 October 1960.
Also travelling Jessie I McDougall born 5 th August 1915 and aged 45 years, housewife. Both going to 2 Fonthill Gardens, Aberdeen N. Intended stay 5/6 weeks.
Sandra
Thanks Sandra, this is definitely my Robert McDougall and presumably accompanied by his (much younger) 2nd wife. How fascinating for me to know that they spent time back in the North East of Scotland not far from where I live! :)
Cheers
Joyce
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Hi,
Glad to help. If this Sally Sheldon is your relative, then her married name of Bitz should be a help in finding relatives.
If you use the Canada 411 link I posted earlier, you will see that there are only 6 people in Ontario with that last name. Perhaps some are related to you?
The memorial notice is in the Ottawa paper. Perhaps the original obituary was too. You could try the Ottawa library to see if they will do a look up for you. Hopefully, you will find names of more relatives.
http://biblioottawalibrary.ca/en/overview
RK
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The brother of Scott Sheldon - David Gerald Sheldon also died in Canada.
The US SSDI (Social Security Death Index) shows David G Sheldon born 12 Dec 1921 Died 2 Mar 2004. SSN issued California(Before 1951) - Last Residence 53 (U.S. Consulate), Canada.
Daily Times Obituary Index :-
David Gerald Sheldon Toronto Ontario Toronto Star 24/3/2004 cfoisy.
http://obits.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/obit.cgi?Surname=SHELDON%2C%20David%20Gerald&type=Keyword
David born 12/12/1921 in Winnipeg, resided at 107 Springhurst Avenue. Toronto and he crossed the border into the USA 1 February 1949 Detroit Michigan. Brother James Sheldon lived at 30 Baker Street. San Francisco. California. Brother Scott Sheldon lived at 23 Smithfield Drive. Toronto.
Sandra
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The brother James William Sheldon born 25 Jul 1908 Died 20 Nov 1999 - SSN issued California (Before 1951) - Last Residence 94121 San Francisco, San Francisco, California.
James William had crossed the border Canada to the USA - Detroit Michigan - 6 July 1946 - 30 Baker street. San Francisco. Single. occupation:- Artist.
Brother Gordon Sheldon born 14 May 1912 Other Country Died 9 Apr 1997 San Francisco. Mothers Maiden name:- Hoskins.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
Super information !!
I had a look at David Gerald Sheldon's obit, but it doesn't mention brothers/sisters in law/nieces or nephews. Unfortunately, it is quite short and doesn't say where he is buried.
Perhaps obits for the other brothers might mention some of the Sheldon/McDougall clan??
RK
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Yes, RK, that's what I was hoping but am drawing a blank so far. ::) Missed the names of the other daughters so have to hazard a guess at there names.
Sandra
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Canada Voters List - Toronto Lakeshore - 1968 and 1972 - Scott Sheldon (Lithographer) and Kathleen (adjuster) 97 Chartwell Road. Toronto.
Sandra
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Believe this to be a daughter Mary Hay McDougall - Mary Hay Nuzzi - born 29 January 1920 Other Country Died 4 th October 1983. Santa Barbara. California. Mothers Maiden Name :- Buchan. Father McDougall. Last Residence 93436 Lompoc, Santa Barbara, California.
Reference staff of the Santa Barbara Public Library System will search for and provide copies, as available, of obituaries for persons who either resided or died in Santa Barbara County. BUT sadly there is a $15.00 fee for this service. :'(
http://sbplibrary.org/contact/index.html
Sandra
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Mary H McDougall born 1920 and aged 58 years married Daniel Nuzzi born 1918 and aged 60 years. Location:- Monterey California. 30 th April 1970.
Mary H McDougall and Daniel A Nuzzi divorced Los Angeles June 1973.
Daniel Nuzzi born 21 October 1917 and died 28 July 1996. US Army Veteran - Enlisted 22 September 1942 - Released 19th February 1945. Last Residence - 93101 Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara, California. Last Benefit 93436 Lompoc, Santa Barbara, California. - SSN issued
New York (Before 1951)
Sandra
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Hi,
Glad to help. If this Sally Sheldon is your relative, then her married name of Bitz should be a help in finding relatives.
If you use the Canada 411 link I posted earlier, you will see that there are only 6 people in Ontario with that last name. Perhaps some are related to you?
The memorial notice is in the Ottawa paper. Perhaps the original obituary was too. You could try the Ottawa library to see if they will do a look up for you. Hopefully, you will find names of more relatives.
http://biblioottawalibrary.ca/en/overview
RK
Hi RK
Thanks for all your help. Ref Bitz family I have noted the 6 Bitz entries in Directory for the area and also intend to contact Ottowa Library for further help. As you know I am a complete beginner, this being my first query, and would like to know the correct protocol of making contact with possible "relatives"? Do you think it would be OK to telephone or write to them?
On another matter, I wonder if you could advise me on how to trace further 'cousins', of the same origins - g.g.g.grandparents John Hutchison and Jane (Cameron) Hutchison of Peterhead, Aberdeenshire.
Their Grandson James Calder(b.1861) who was born and raised in Aberdeen, Scotland, emigrated to USA around the end of 19C and set up business in a china shop on Staten Island, New York. His direct descendants are unknown although I know that he sponsored his great niece Helen Wilson Lauder(b.1893 Quincy Massachusetts) and her husband James Lauder(b.Glasgow) who emigrated to New York in early 1920's, so he was still alive at that time.
Should I initiate a new query on the USA section?
Look forward to hearing from you.
Regards Joyce
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Helen Lauder and James appear on the 1930 Census Richmond, New York with a young daughter.
James Lauder 37 Born Scotland. Immigrated 1920. NA. Manager. China.
Helen M Lauder 36 Born MA
Helen E Lauder 6 Born Scotland.
109 Lawrence Avenue. Richmond New York. 1940 (lived in the same place 1935)
James Lauder 48 Clerk. Chemical.
Helen Lauder 46
Helen Lauder 16
Sandra
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Helen M. Lauder Born 7 Aug 1893 Died 26 Feb 1997
Last Residence 10306 Staten Island, Richmond, New York.
SSN issued New York (1954-1955)
Sandra
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WW2 Draft for James Lauder - 26 Nov 1891 Glasgow Scotland. Resides 109 Lawrence Avenue. Richmond. New York. Employer:- British Purchasing Commission, 15 Broad Street, NYC.
Person who will always know his address :- Mrs James Lauder of the same address.
Sandra
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WW2 Draft for James Lauder - 26 Nov 1891 Glasgow Scotland. Resides 109 Lawrence Avenue. Richmond. New York. Employer:- British Purchasing Commission, 15 Broad Street, NYC.
Person who will always know his address :- Mrs James Lauder of the same address.
Sandra
Thanks Sandra. Now I know James and Helen Lauder were still alive and in NY during WW2.
Do you know how I could find out about James Calder their sponsor who had an established china business in Staten Island by the 20's?
Regards
Joyce
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There is a James Calder (married) of the correct age, born Scotland and in the Staten Island area but not with a China business.
How do you know he had a China business ?
Sandra
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I am a grandson of Robert Yule McDougall, he remarried and had 7 more children. J is living outside Edmonton Alberta. S is in a home in Fergus Ontario, she lived a good part of her life in California. M passed away in California. K in not sure of she was in the Fergus Ontario area.
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I am a grandson of Robert Yule McDougall, he remarried and had 7 more children. J is living outside Edmonton Alberta. S is in a home in Fergus Ontario, she lived a good part of her life in California. M passed away in California. K in not sure of she was in the Fergus Ontario area.
Hi dug38, I was so thrilled to receive your response to my query about Robert Yule and Mary Hay McDougall. Are you a grandson of first wife Mary or Robert's second wife? Is his second wife still alive as I believe, from some info I received, that she was considerably younger than Robert.
I was also very interested to know that you have info about 2 of their 4 children - S and J. I had previous knowledge of the 4 and their DoB's. J must be 85yrs and S 88yrs if my info is correct. Are either S or J your parent?
My relationship to Robert & Mary is as follows:
In case you did not already know, they were first cousins who were born in Peterhead nr Aberdeen in north east Scotland - Robert b.1887, Mary b.1895. They married in Peterhead and left for Toronto, Canada in 1922. Their mothers were sisters Jemima McDougall and Jane Buchan (ms Hutchison). Robert and Mary's grandmother was Biddy Hutchison whose sister Rachel is my g.g.grandmother. Therefore Rachel (my g.g.granny) was the great aunt of Robert and Mary McDougall. I hope the above is clear enough. If you would like any more info about the Hutchisons of Peterhead, just let me know. Meanwhile please pass on my best wishes to S & J if you are in touch with them. I look forward to hearing from you again. Regards Joyce33
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Hi Joyce33, my father was the son of Jessie(Irene) and Robert.
I was talking with Uncle J and gave him the link to the site, he should be able to give a more info.
I do know he has been in touch with the Buchan side of the family for many years and visited once or twice.
As for Robert Yule being born in Peterhead I was always told that was what he told the army when he joined underage. He never arrived in Peterhead until he was about 14.
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Hi Joyce33, my father was the son of Jessie(Irene) and Robert.
I was talking with Uncle J and gave him the link to the site, he should be able to give a more info.
I do know he has been in touch with the Buchan side of the family for many years and visited once or twice.
As for Robert Yule being born in Peterhead I was always told that was what he told the army when he joined underage. He never arrived in Peterhead until he was about 14.
Thanks Dug38.
Thought you might like this info I recently received from another Roots member:
"Robert Y McDougall born 9 Sept 1887 and aged 73 years, retired, travelled Montreal Quebec to Greenock Scotland on the Empress of Britain arriving 10 October 1960.
Also travelling Jessie I McDougall born 5 th August 1915 and aged 45 years, housewife. Both going to 2 Fonthill Gardens, Aberdeen N. Intended stay 5/6 weeks."
I was intrigued to know if this was the address of a family member because it is very close to where I live in Aberdeen! Perhaps Uncle J might know from one of his trips to Aberdeenshire to visit the Buchan family?
On the matter of Robert's birthplace, I must find out what is stated on UK census for him.
Joyce33 :)
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I am the son of Robert Yule McDougall John Buchan
Can be reached at jandbmcd@gmail.com