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Title: Base born
Post by: kiwiserbian on Friday 20 September 13 08:48 BST (UK)
Hi, Wondering if someone can help me with a query I have.

In the 1841 census I have some relatives living in the Farnham Workhouse, Surrey.  There are 3 sisters listed in order of their ages, aged 15, 13 and 9.  But between the sister aged 13 and 9, there is a girl with a different surname who is aged 11.  All 4 girls were born in Farnham, Surrey.

I found the birth record of this girl with a different surname, mother's name listed only, no father listed and she is Base born, which I think means illegitimate.  Her surname is the same as her mothers.

Since she is placed between the sisters, does this mean that she has the same father as the 3 sisters?

The parents of the 3 sisters are not in the 1841 census as they both died in the 1830's.  The mother in 1834, the father in 1837.

I don't know what happened to this girls mother as I can't pinpoint her in any other records.

Hope someone can shed some light whether the girl with a different surname place between the sister means that they have the same father ?
Title: Re: Base born
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 20 September 13 09:34 BST (UK)
If there were lots of names on the list she need not be related at all.  Just happened to be listed between 3 people from the same family but if you could give her name and age we can have a look  :)

Title: Re: Base born
Post by: kiwiserbian on Friday 20 September 13 09:50 BST (UK)
Her name on the 1841 census is Mary Nevill born about 1830, Farnham, Surrey.  Her baptism record state her name as Mary Anne Neville, mother Mary Neville.
Title: Re: Base born
Post by: lizdb on Friday 20 September 13 09:58 BST (UK)
Sounds like the census has just listed residents of that household in age order. Doesnt mean she is related necessarily. Just that she spent census night in that household.
Even if she did live there permnanently as one of the household ( and we dont know that is the case) it no way indicates who her father was.
Ah - I see it is the workhouse - but same principles apply.
If she was illegitimate and no record of father on christening or any other document, then you will never know who he was.
You could always enquire at the Surrey History centre to see if any workhouse records have survived, to see if you can find any more info as to when and why the little girl was admitted, and thus if she came in with the sisters.
Title: Re: Base born
Post by: kiwiserbian on Friday 20 September 13 10:10 BST (UK)
Thanks for your replies.  I had another look at the 1841 census after I read the replies and I tend to agree that the names in many cases are not listed as family groups.  There are others with the same surname that are separated by others.   ::)