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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: touchofmange on Wednesday 18 September 13 12:59 BST (UK)
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hi i'm struggling to find a marriage index for an alfred jacob hollis to someone with the maiden name wells. I've had good old look around online and i'm not finding their index. I know they had a child jean hollis in nov 1911, and there are two possible other births with wells mmn, in the same district of S. Stoneham. The alfred jacob hollis comes from jean's marriage cert as the father. I'm expecting them to be in the portsmouth area. I will order jean's birth cert when i've got some spare cash but the marriage index would help for now.
i also had a look for a birth or marriage notice in the papers but again came up blank :(
appreciate any help thanks
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Could the middle name be wrong?
There's an Alfred Arthur Hollis marriage Alverstoke in Dec 1909 and one of the two brides is a Mary Emily Wells.
Has to be worth checking out on census :)
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It's not a marriage but there is a death of an Alfred J Hollis in Portsmouth
Alfred J Hollis
Birth Date: abt 1883
Age at death 70
Date of Registration: Sep 1953
Portsmouth Hampshire
Volume: 6b Page: 325
Added: Sorry, I think that might be Alfred John Hollis who was married to an Eva Irene Nobes
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Hi,
A possible connection?
BIRTHS
Alfred Jacob Hollis MarQ 1910 South Stoneham 2c 81
Nanny Jan
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Wells as the mmn on the possible births may not be the name she got married with , ie that the mother was married before,
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Confusing isn't it. There is a Mary Emily Wells born Alverstoke 1891 so she would have been a young bride.
Family tree with her on has Hollis (Wells) but has her marrying in 1931 so :-\
There's an Alfred A Hollis death in Southampton 1928 age 43 could that be him.
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There's an Alfred Arthur born 1883 IOW and a census 1891 IOW with an Alfred 7 son of Jacob so maybe that's where the Jacob comes in. Also a brother Jacob among the 9 children.
1901 this Alfred 17 is with family and is a something moulder (apprentice)
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thanks nanny jan, i was sitting looking at the freebmd results for my wells children, which didn't have that, but as soon as i narrowed the years in the search it showed up. Firstly he has to be his son, and secondly he dies in exeter which is where my aunts, also wells are from. If i could find the young fella's 1911c that should be all of them hopefully.
interesting that the alfred henry hollis, bn southhampton married mabel alice bellinger portsea 1898, said he was a brass moulder on the census. on jean's marriage cert ajhollis occupation was moulder.
i still haven't found mary emily wells marriage.
thanks for your help
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Confusing isn't it. There is a Mary Emily Wells born Alverstoke 1891 so she would have been a young bride.
Family tree with her on has Hollis (Wells) but has her marrying in 1931 so :-\
There's an Alfred A Hollis death in Southampton 1928 age 43 could that be him.
Mary Emily Hillier (Hollis/Wells) dies in 1971 birthdate given as 25 July 1891 and she married Thomas Hillier in Southampton
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Same woman we think yes?
Alfred brass moulder with wife Mabel are boarders in Coventry with son Alfred 1.
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thanks nanny jan, i was sitting looking at the freebmd results for my wells children, which didn't have that, but as soon as i narrowed the years in the search it showed up. Firstly he has to be his son, and secondly he dies in exeter which is where my aunts, also wells are from. If i could find the young fella's 1911c that should be all of them hopefully.
thanks for your help
Not necessarily his son but probably connected to the family........a nephew or cousin? :-\
Nanny Jan
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thanks for your help folks. dad will be able to go visit his gran's grave for the first time, and i've got a big hollis family to work through. I never did find their 1911c, so perhaps it's hiding under a typo.
:)
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Same woman we think yes?
Alfred brass moulder with wife Mabel are boarders in Coventry with son Alfred 1.
yes i saw this, i thought initially it was alfred with mabel bellinger but the ages and marriage date are all wrong. The census has mabel as the wife's name and all three bn southampton, which i've checked it does say. i can find neither alfred birth for southampton, the ages for the adults vary by a couple of years, and the moulder occupation is interesting.
I'm trying to think what else i could rule out or find out about them that might say their names? i suppose i should check for births in coventry.
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Yes I checked that too because the couple you mentioned with a Mabel were married in 1898 longer before 1911 than this couple who I think said married 3 years. Plus as you say ages were wrong.
Having said that I don't see the younger Mabel marriage.
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There are some Hollis births in Coventry after 1911 but the names don't pan out :(
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potentially they may have only been up there a few months, with alfred and jean both registered in south stoneham with about 18 months gap, then they are unlikely to have had a child inbetween. Sorry but i thought jean was bn later than that.
looking at that southampton death now in 1829 for A A Hollis, aged 43, worryingly that does tie in with the age on the census for the southampton bn alfred hollis. will have a look at the papers later for a death notice.
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OK the IOW one I found with father Jacob who was an apprentice moulder is on a family tree.
First child is down as Alfred Jacob born 1910 and it does link to the census we found boarders in Coventry. However Mabel isn't Mary so still doesn't make sense.
Alfred Jacob Hollis Mar 1910 S Stoneham
They could have just said born Southampton as the largest place :-\
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South Stoneham registration district covers many places which are considered to be part of the city of Southampton. Have a look here:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/south%20stoneham.html
and
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HAM/SouthStoneham/index.shtml
As you can see, around 1909 some areas were moved from South Stoneham to Southampton.
If someone gives a large city as a birth place, it is always worth checking exactly how many registration districts cover the city and what they were before discounting information because it doesn't quite match.
Nell