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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Argyllshire => Topic started by: stuart.d on Monday 16 September 13 14:06 BST (UK)
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John was born on 6 July 1828 in Campbeltown, the second child of Dunlop and Jean/ Jenn Duncan. According to the 1841 census, John, aged 12, resided with his father, step-mother, brother and half-siblings at Back Street, Campbeltown. Neither John nor his brother, Robert, appear on the 1851 census for the family.
I believe this person may be my gg grandfather. However, there are a lot of discrepancies between the records I have for him in Australia and the Scottish records (ie Hotelier/Painter, birth 1833/1828). I have been unable to find any immigration information on John, and therefore cannot prove the two are the same person.
I am trying to determine when and if he emigrated to Australia. Any information would be appreciated?
Stuart
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Hi Stuart,
On the 1851 Census - at Greenock Renfrewshire
14 Sugarhouse Lane-
Janet Scott - age 40 Wife Married Mate's wife Husband at sea Born Ayrshire Irvine
James Scott- age 14 Son Shop Boy Born Renfrewshire Greenock
Robert F Duncan - age 24 Nephew Painter Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
John F Duncan - age 22 Nephew Tailor Born Argyllshire, Campbeltown
Could this be the boys you are researching? I found them on www.freecen.org.uk
Looby :)
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Hi Lobby
Thank you for the 1851 information on Robert F and John F Duncan, yes these I believe are the two brothers I am after information on.
According to my Australian John F Duncan death certificate he arrived about 1853/4. His 1/2 brothers James (aged 19/20) and Lewis Grant (aged 21 ) arrived also in 1854. Lewis arrived aboard the Constance. I have information somewhere on what ship James arrived in Australia on, however I have been unable to find emigration/immigration information on John F. Any where I should search online would be appreciated.
OT - I have been unable to find any death records for John and Robert's mother Jean/Jenn Ferguson, who would have died between 1828 (John's birth) and Dunlop's 2nd marriage to Elizabeth Grant in Dec 1830.
Once again many thanks for finding the 1851 census data on Robert F and John F Duncan
Stuart
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Hi Stuart,
Which area of Australia do you think the boys sailed to?
Sadly you may not be able to find any record of Jean/Jenn Ferguson's death as none may exist. But I did find this link which may interest you.I think you will find family members recorded here http://www.ralstongenealogy.com/kilkerranoldgraves.php
If you scroll to the bottom of the page , you will find a contact to email and ask for an image :)
Looby :)
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Hi Looby
As their half brothers came to Victoria, I would think Robert and John would have also emigrated to Victoria.
Concerning the Kilkerran grave photos, a couple of years ago I requested photo(s) using the link you mentioned, but received no reply etc, :( but will try again. :-\
Stuart
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Hi again Stuart,
That's a shame about the photos from Kilkerran :(. I hope you have better luck this time round.
Good luck with finding the boys arriving in Australia. I had a quick look but had no success, every website led me to The Public Record Office Victoria and I couldn't find them there (you'll no doubt have checked there before!). Just a suggestion, on the 1851 Census John and Robert are living in Greenock , obviously a busy port at that period. Their uncle is a ship's mate at sea at the time of the Census. Maybe they found employment as crew to travel to Australia?
Looby :)
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Lobby
Photos of headstones have arrived, very quick.
Concerning Uncle's occupation, I had the same thoughts concerning boys sailing as crew and not immigrants. I will chase up at Victorian Public Records Office.
Many thanks for your help.
regards
Stuart
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Hello Stuart and Looby. I have been researching the Duncan family in New Zealand for my cousin.
Charles Duncan born c1835 has on his death notification that he was a native of Campbelltown Scotland. His death certificate details his father as John Duncan, Master Mariner. Charles himself had the occupation of Seaman when he married Margaret Snoddan in Dunedin NZ in 1858.
I dont suppose that the Uncle referred to in your earlier post had the Christian name of John?
Regards, June
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stuart, try a posting on this website which covers Campbeltown.
www.kintyreforum.com/
Skoosh.
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June, I have Charles and John Duncans in my extended family tree.
Charles (B 1800 in Kintyre, D 1876 Clyde Bank Cottage, Renfrew) is shown on the 1851 census as being the Superintendant Carpenter of Clyde Trustees Works. He had a son Charles (b c1837 in Glasgow, according to 1841 and 1851 censuses. I have no other information on him as he not in my direct line.
Charles (b 1800) also according to 1841 census also had a 7 mth old son named John. He is not listed on 1851 census. John married Mary Pride in 1865 in Renfrew.
More details on this family can be found on my Blog at http://campbeltownduncans.blogspot.com/2015/05/charles-duncan-1800-1876.html (http://campbeltownduncans.blogspot.com/2015/05/charles-duncan-1800-1876.html)
As Skoosh has indicated you could put a query on the Kintyre form website, but I have had no luck there. My information has been obtained through the Scotlandspeople website
regards
Stuart
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I have had a quick look at your blog Stuart and it has definite possibilities. You have a child named Elizabeth Grant Duncan detailed.
The New Zealand family had children: Alexander, Alexander, Christina, James Grant Duncan, William Duncan, Helen (Ellen) Grant Duncan, Mary Duncan, Charles Duncan, Peter Duncan, Peter Duncan, Christina Duncan and Peter Duncan.
Thank you I will study your information further this evening.
Regards, June
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Hi June
I should have mentioned that the Uncle who was a Ships Mate according to the 1851 Census, name was John Scott (D bef 1881 when his wife is a shown as a widow on census) who had married Janet Duncan. They had one son James (B abt 1837).
Stuart